Hi, On 25.05.19 01:12, Silent Spike wrote: > In support of Nick's points above, reading many of the discussions on > this mailing list today has me just about ready to unsubscribe.
There are many reasons why someone could be disappointed by this mailing list, or by tagging discussions in general, and decide to stop participating. The way you write it above, however, sounds like you're assigning blame, in precisely the disparaging way that Andy has pointed to in his other message - you seem to be saying "I'm done with this lot, I don't like the people here". It would be helpful if people could refrain from making general hand-wavy statements about mailing lists somehow being unworthy of their time. For example, if you have a complex idea like e.g. the "disputed boundaries" that we discussed a while ago, you need to bring a combination of skills to the table to succeed: * You need the understanding and experience in OSM to create a workable proposal. * You need clarity of thought and the ability to express your idea clearly, even to people who are not native speakers of English (or you might yourself not be). * You need diplomatic or political skills to find compromise, to get others to support your idea, and the willingness to iterate again and again. * and a lot of patience! This can be a demanding process and not everyone is cut out for it. Of 10 who attempt it, perhaps one succeeds and the others throw in the towel and even stop participating altogether. It would be sad, and a little disingenuous, if these people were then running around telling everyone how shite the tagging list is just because they didn't get their proposal through on the first attempt. And the same happens on smaller scales of course. You could be suggesting something and be faced with the opinions of people from the other side of the globe, for whom what you suggest is outlandish, or of people who live nearby but whose vision of OSM could not be more different than your own. I'm sure the communications can be improved in many ways, but even if everyone were super respectful, all this would still be *hard* and taxing and many people would leave because they just don't have the patience that decision making in a large, international group of volunteers with minimal authoritarianism takes. Ask anyone who's working at the EU or the UN... I think OSM on the whole should be welcoming for everyone, in that everyone can find a place where they can make a useful contribution. But I doubt that this mailing list, or any body that discusses tagging, can ever be built in a way that everyone feels happy to contribute. So please, if you feel your talent is better applied to other areas of OSM, just do it - that's great. There's no need for a "sour grapes" approach because you found that tagging discussions were not for you. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
