Also true but no need for the "quotes". Mountain rescue teams don't just need 
to call 112/999. And although you can often make an emergency call without a 
SIM (I believe this does not actually work in the UK) nobody can call you 
unless you are registered and authorised on a network.


On 7 August 2023 20:24:30 BST, bkil <bkil.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Just a note about your "fact": your phone can roam to any available
>network when you are dialing the emergency number. You can even dial
>it without a SIM inserted in most countries. Hence why it displays the
>text "emergency calls only" in such cases. Circuits towards the
>emergency number are also much higher prioritized, so when the line
>seems busy otherwise or produces unusable quality and drop-outs,
>emergency calls will still be more usable (with sufficient coverage of
>course).
>
>On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 9:03 PM Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Two users on the same network standing next to each other can get different 
>> results. They may be connected to different base stations. CDMA is a whole 
>> other can of worms.
>>
>> There are so many variables, it's impossible to give detailed data for "cell 
>> phone reception at location X". But the original intention of the proposal 
>> was limited to campsites and a couple of other specific categories of place, 
>> which are often out in the sticks with no coverage. and I can see why it 
>> might be useful to have some kind of indication whether you can expect any 
>> kind of usable coverage at these locations. This would need to be specific 
>> about network, service provider (MVNO) and frequency band at least to be 
>> useful.
>>
>> Some networks allow voice-over-wifi. This might be a useful thing to record 
>> - if the location operator provides wifi, you may be able to use "WiFi 
>> Calling" even if the cellular coverage is dodgy.
>>
>> Interesting fact: Mountain rescue organisations often use SIMs from a 
>> different country, which are free to roam onto any network with a tiny bit 
>> of signal. If you are in your home state you will probably be locked to a 
>> specific network.
>>
>> On 07/08/2023 01:55 BST Mike Thompson <miketh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:39 PM Evan Carroll <m...@evancarroll.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> While I don't disagree, that's not an argument for OSM. OSM's job isn't to 
>> mitigate real world safety issues caused by technology. It's to map 
>> generally useful geographically verifiable things.
>>
>> I don't understand how cell coverage isn't verifiable - visit the site (e.g. 
>> campground) in question, pull out your phone, note how many bars, try to 
>> make a call, send a text, use some data (perhaps run a speed test). Yes, it 
>> is only good for your carrier, but the carrier should be recorded. Yes, 
>> there could be network congestion, or a tower could be out, but we map 
>> roads, and they can be congested, or closed due to accidents, flooding, 
>> landslides, construction, etc.  In some way, this is getting back to our 
>> roots, actually getting out and surveying, rather than just relying on 
>> satellite/aerial imagery.
>>
>> Mike
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