The OpenStreetMap rule for all time has been "what's on the ground is what we use", in the case of names that would be what's on the road signs.
I was in Wales last week and saw a mix of road names (I didn't focus on place names, but it should still stand): 1) Welsh on top line, English below. 2) English on top line, Welsh below. 3) Welsh only. It seemed consistent for areas, maybe relating to how old the streets were or politics - I think this is interesting enough. I would tag it the streets always with 2-3 name tags... A) name:cy and name:en used whenever they are present on a sign. Do not transliterate. When we have a complete map, this then provides insight into the areas (where and % of roads) actually have Bilingual names. B) You should additionally add a "name" value. My preference is for the name on the top line. I can see the argument for putting both/all names in, but I think this gets messy as OpenStreetMap doesn't have the concept of a separator. The "name" tag is a used as a fallback (what a German-language map would show, what a Welsh-language map would show if no name:cy, etc). You should think of it as a fallback name, rather than a default name. This can then provide us with insight, what streets have Welsh as the primary name (name:cy = name)? While in Wales, I did do some filming so I could demonstrate how to map bilingual names/places. I've not finished the editing yet, but can share a link when it's published. >From England, Gregory. On 25 March 2018 at 23:13, ajt1...@gmail.com <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25/03/2018 21:49, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo wrote: > > ... > Sorry to insist but you will undermine, especially, Welsh names, for a > generic rendering that uses "name" tags. Think about that. > > > Can you give a specific example of that? Are you saying that "it's > important to pretend that Welsh names are displayed even where they aren't > used very often" by sticking them on the end of the more commonly used > name? The other way around (using Welsh in "name" because it is the most > used name) presumably wouldn't "undermine ... Welsh names". It could be > that I'm completely misunderstanding what you're saying here but I really > don't follow the argument at all. > > > Of course, for me, it's a must to fill "name:cy" and "name:en" too. > > > That's great news - it'll allow maps like https://openstreetmap.cymru/ > (and mine!) to render appropriate names in appropriate areas. > > > On 25 March 2018 at 20:30, Curon Davies <cur...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> - The fundamental problem is that there is no "name" which is >>> correct. In the medium term, as long as the name:cy and name:en are >>> correct >>> then the value of "name" should become less significant. Then it can be >>> up >>> to the user to decide if they want to display English, Welsh or both (and >>> if both which language taking priority). >>> >>> The problem currently, is that display choice isn't available. >> > > I don't think that that's actually true - I can think of at least 3 > choices right now: > > > - OSM "Standard map" (and a number of others), which just use the > "name" tag: > > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.88362/-5.26565 > > > - Openstreetmap.cymru, which uses "name:cy": > > > https://openstreetmap.cymru?h=51.88397494833407&ll=-5. > 264972448348999&ch=17 > > > - Mine, that show one of "name:cy", "name:en", "name:ga" or "name" > depending on location: > > > http://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=18&lat= > 51.883531&lon=-5.264898 > > and of course anyone making their own maps (Garmin etc.) can do whatever > they want. > > Best Regards, > > Andy > > PS: Apologies to Curon if his message wasn't meant for the list - I'm > guessing that it was but that he's actually not subscribed yet and his > reply went both to that and Miguel. > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com
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