Here in Yorkshire, people are very possessive (if that's the right
word!) about the old county boundary (i.e. pre 1974). Many people are
very aware of the problem (as they see it) that certain parts of
Yorkshire have been transferred to (or 'stolen by') Lancashire, or other
counties. They still think of the 3 Ridings as current in some cases.
And Liverpool and Manchester are still parts of Lancashire according to
some!
Colin
On 08/08/18 10:55, Mark Goodge wrote:
On 07/08/2018 20:48, Dave F wrote:
Hi
User smb1001 is currently adding county boundary relations with
boundary=historic through out the UK:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ASf (May take a while to run)
Changeset discussion:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/61410203
From the historic wiki page
"historic objects should not be mapped as it is outside of scope of OSM"
Frankly I don't buy his comments. The problem is where to stop? Do we
have ever iteration of every boundary change since time immemorial?
Then what about buildings, roads, or coastline changes etc? The
database would become unmanageable for editors (it already is if
zoomed out too far).
I agree that "historic" boundaries don't belong in OSM. They have
value for historic researchers, but, as you say, that's not what OSM
is about.
It's also flat out incorrect to say that historic boundaries are
"immutable". Although it is true that there were massive changes in
the 1970s and a lot more since then, the idea that the historic (or
"traditional") counties were stable throughout history is just
myth-making. A lot of what people think of as the historic county
boundaries are, in fact, a Victorian creation. And even they didn't
leave them alone!
I do think, though, that there's a case for including the current
ceremonial and preserved county boundaries. These have a defined and
relevant meaning here and now, even if it's a less common one than
administrative boundaries such as counties, districts and parishes.
Maybe the people adding historic boundaries to OSM could be nudged in
that direction instead.
Mark
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