Hi Gerhardus, I think there is a very strong inherent relation tying together all the Gautrain bus routes, such as them being operated by the same buses, with the same card for payment, same operating hours, ending at the same terminal, etc. I certainly would not take it any further, like your examples of "bus routes in gauteng" or "M roads in South Africa" would suggest.
Relations are there to logically tie inherently-coupled aspects together. If you feel that the specific intent of "route master" is being abused here, however, we could use a different relation that ties the routes of the same "service" together. I guess your argument is that, if you wanted to query all the gautrain bus routes from the data, you could simply get all bus routes where operator="Gautrain" - which will certainly work, it's just not as structurally "direct". I'll certainly not feel offended if anybody removes the route master relation - it just made sense at the time. Dawid Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 14:53 +0000 skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: > Hi Kieron, > > I would recommend firstly using the OSM documentation and then > existing bus routes as a template. J1 and J2 renders correctly but > that is because of additional tags. We should map according to the > wiki and accepted standards not to get it to render correctly. > > > Dawid, the intended usage of the routemaster tag in a relation is to > tie together routes that typically follow the same roads but might go > into opposite directions or as in London where we have a 381 bus and > N381 bus which is the night bus and follows an abbreviated version of > the day route. A relation that contains all of the Gautrain routes is > arguably valid but I think stretches the intended usage a little bit. > So where do you draw the line? You could then also have a relation > that contained all of the bus routes in Gauteng or even the whole of > South Africa, or a relation for all N and M highways. Regardless > though consistency is going to be more important. > > > Regards > > > > On 7 November 2013 14:12, Kieron Thwaites <kieron.thwai...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks for the work done! > > > > I'm about to kick off redoing the MyCiTi routes in the Table > View area (the T01 has been extended, and will be extended > further next year, and the F14/F15/F16 no longer exist and > have been replaced with the 213/214/215/216/217 routes), so > using your S3 mapping as a template will help me out quite a > bit. (: > > > --K > > > > On 7 November 2013 14:39, Dawid Loubser > <da...@travellinck.com> wrote: > > Thanks to those of you who have added bus routes! > (it's quite time-consuming to say the least - > especially adding the stops correctly) > > Route S3 (Rivonia) also shows the stops and (what I > hope to be) correct tagging: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.0561/28.0651&layers=T > > Interestingly, I have tried to adhere to the "new > public transport schema" of 2011 > (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport), > where the stop position is indicated on the route > (which is semantially correct), as opposed to just > relying on tags on the bus stop amenity (node) itself. > However, the "transport map" does not seem to render > these correctly, so in addition to the cleaner new > tagging scheme, I've adhered to the more traditional > way of marking bus stops. Once it is supported though, > the different stops (and their numbers etc) should be > correctly represented. > > Finally, if you've added a Gautrain bus map route, > please add it to the "Gautrain bus" route master, > which "ties together" all the bus routes. Again, see > S3 Rivonia as an example... (none of the other routes > have been added at this stage). > > Finally, grant, the real-time bus map is awesome! Any > further discussions with Gautrain in terms of > obtaining an 'official' data feed? > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
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