I may be able to get a list of all bus stops including GPS coordinates directly from Gautrain.
Two questions: 1) What "permissions" do we need to get for this to be usable on OSM? 2) Is there someone who could assist to bulk load the data. On the second point I would be happy to do some preprocessing. e.g. Correlation against against a list of what has already been captured. Regards, John On 22 November 2013 08:46, Dawid Loubser <da...@travellinck.com> wrote: > Copyright law cannot prohibit the manual reconstruction of > publically-available information any more than what it can control an > internet search engine like https://www.duckduckgo.com from indexing and > serving that information when you do a web search. There is, consequently, > no legal problem at all in looking at information on e.g. the official > Gautrain bus map, and updating OpenStreetMap based on this. > > Gerhardus' method is more in the "spirit of OpenStreetMap" though - as OSM > frowns upon the copying of information from commercial or proprietary > sources. > Ultimately - nobody will even know: there is no > legalistically-distinguishable difference between adding something because > you were there, vs adding something because you saw it on another map. > (Obviously you should only add things to the map that you have verified > actually exists.) > > When I added the gautrain bus routes that I have actually travelled on, I > still used the official gautrain bus map as a reference: to correlate the > positioning and get the metadata (stop numbers, etc). Nobody can prove > which one I used "more" though - their map, or my on-the-ground observation. > > I wouldn't worry too much. Grant needs to worry more, now that he's added > a "state secret" (Nkandla) to the map :-) > > -- > Dawid Loubser <da...@travellinck.com> > > Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 20:46 +0000 skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: > > Well ideally you should travel with GPS in hand and map the stops. That > way there is not licensing dispute at all and where the busses stop is > public knowledge that you have recorded in OSM. > > > > Regards > > > > On 21 November 2013 19:08, John <john....@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. > > > How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as > source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? > > We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit different > with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not copying the map, > simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask permission? > > > Regards, > > John > > > > > On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis < > gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just echoing Dawid, JOSM will be your friend for relational editing if > you not already using it. > > > > Regards > > > > On 21 November 2013 08:18, Dawid Loubser <da...@travellinck.com> > wrote: > > Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is really > looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). > > With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid iD > (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am aware > of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the order > seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the relation, > just "open" the relation for editing, and in the left-hand toolbar, scroll > down to where the "members" are listed - you will see all members (in > order). > > Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing tasks like > these. > > Happy mapping! > (or do we say "Merry Mapping" this time of year...?) > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ZA mailing > listTalk-ZA@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za > >
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