Hi! I have just worked through all the previous posts here and experimented with the test instance in my home turf. The short anwer is: No, I do not believe that ID is in a state to make it the default editor, especially not to welcome newbies.
The long answer: I still see very bad performance in Firefox. I noticed that editing has been limited to zoom 16 and higher which is a very crude way to limit the data displayed. But it also makes orientation very difficult when you have to move around. Even when there are not many lines to display, ID remains jumpy, dragging of the map rather results in two jumps for moving a full screen with up to one second delay in denser areas. I agree with the previous posts that ID is not a suitable editor for beginners/as default as long as it presents destructive operations in such a prominent manner. I'm referring to the delete button but also to the make-square, make-round and rotate options. You do not need these to draw streets on top of tracks or aerial imagery, which is the basic start of mapping. I have never used them at all. But they can be very destructive for existing geometry. An expert mode where you can add those operations later might be a good solution. I tried deleting a few things and there was no warning that I was acting destructively. The warning before saving is too general and the list of change objects also does not indicate whether I did something dangerous. I believe that immediate warnings when you do something dangerous (and an expert switch to disable them later) would be very helpful to prevent damage and teach the user how to proceed. What's more, the existing icons would confuse me as a newcomer. For ways, there is a move-around icon (which is useful), if I click on a node, only delete is shown, nothing else. In particular, there is no move-around icon. As a powermapper I know that I can directly drag the node and don't need it, but to a newcomer the absence might suggest that you should rather delete the node with the prominent trashcan and re-create it somewhere else. The wording on the delete button is also misleading. It says: "remove this from the map". But that is not what it does. It deletes it from the database, not from any particular map. This encourages the common misunderstanding that "OSM is a map" and of course unnecessary deletions. On the other hand, some very useful functions seem to be missing. Or at least they are not offered as icons and I couldn't figure out how to do it. One is "click on end node of line and continue drawing it" (click on node in P2). Another is "copy tags from similar way" (r in P2). There is some relation handling, but the visibility of relations is still insufficient. They are shown in the sidebar, but with all instances I tried, the normal tags took up all the visible space in the bar and you had do scroll down to read anything about relations. As they are not marked on the map in any way, they are still invisible to the unsuspecting user. If you don't know that there must be a relation there and directly look for it, they remain totally invisible. I found the handling of multipolygons very confusing. I clicked a MP area and the sidebar showed "Multipolygon". Pretending that I didn't know what that is I clicked "i", only to be rewarded with "there is no documentation for this key". I deleted some of the members with the message <not downloaded> and ID accepted that without warning. I see no way a newcomer had any chance to use this. I agree with the previous posts that OSM should not create a connection to Facebook, Twitter or any other social service without conscious choice by the user or in a way that suggests that it is an integral part of OSM or that membership there is required in any way. A good solution might be a plain "share" link on the save page that leads you to a setting where you can opt-in to your favorite services if you like to. Or maybe you could detect the Facebook session and tracking cookies and show it the button only if you have an active session. But currently it looks like OSM is simply advertising for Facebook. bye, Nop -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Making-iD-the-default-editor-on-osm-org-tp5773770p5774123.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk