2015-06-07 14:43 GMT+03:00 Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch>: > > Two remarks on the the discussion: > > - the standard point: adding translations of names to OSM is (naturally) > nonsense, adding names commonly in use in a language for places isn't. I > somehow suspect that Frederiks suggestion is actually an attempt to > offload the dealing with the nonsense aspect to wikidata. >
This basically isolates the problem with understanding. Somehow you distinguish "names" from "translations". There is an object. People in culture A call it "A1", some of them call it "A2". People from culture B call it "B1". People from culture C don't use this object very often, but call it "C1". People from culture D haven't ever seen this object yet, but after first one of them sees it, he calls it "D2", but later scientists from culture D ask everyone to call it "D1". Object is located in a way so culture B lives around it. So, in my perfect OSM world: name = B1 name:B = B1 name:A = A1 alt_name:A = A2 name:C = C1 name:D = D1 alt_name:D = D2 note: name:B is there even though culture B surrounds it - think of McDonalds in Belarus. It has name=McDonalds, even though usually objects in BY have name= in Russian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Translation says "Translation is the communication of the meaning of a source-language text by means of an equivalent target-language text." Translation is about giving some valid C1 given D2. The process of matching is "translation", not C1. When I see text in Russian reffering Лондон, when I retell it to someone English-speaking, I use London. (then "London" is translation and should be removed from OSM as nonsense ;) For geographical names there are different means that include transcription, transliteration and adaptation of all kinds. The fact that it can be thought to be automatizable to a certain degree should not trick you into thinking "oh, these aren't real names". -- Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski OSM BY Team - http://openstreetmap.by/ xmpp:m...@komzpa.net mailto:m...@komzpa.net
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