Yuri, On 10/15/2017 11:53 AM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Christoph, kindly explain, instead of making snide remarks. You have not > added to the discussion, but instead raised the level of toxicity of > this channel even further. Note that several people have already noted > that this channel is toxic and refused to participate in it,
There's toxic talk and toxic behaviour. I have called you out because I think that for the last half year, your behaviour has been toxic. You have used nice and pleasant words, reassured us all that you mean no evil, but if one looks at your actions, it is clear that you have very little respect for OSM and how we've been doing things until now. Now in certain circles that might be called "disruptive" and seen in a positive way; but I think that disrupting OSM is not positive, and I think you have been doing that very brazenly. When I attack you with clear words, then that is a response to you attacking OSM with clear actions, with a speed and intensity that few of us "spare time OSMers" can match. Before we really had time to see what you were doing, you had already automatically added often questionable Wikidata tags to tens of thousands of objects. You've built a query engine to work with OSM and Wikidata and are pushing that relentlessly, to a point where the decision of just how much Wikiadata linking we want in OSM is totally taken out of our hands. Repeatedly during the process, you have said things like "I don't see why people should waste time on <this task> when it can be done automatically". Then some explained to you why it would be better and more OSM-like to *not* do it automatically. And the next thing you do is come up with a tool to allow even more de-facto automatic changes because you either haven't understood, or simply don't care for how OSM operates. I think the latter is the case; you find it silly, backwards, a waste of time to do what we do, and how we do it. To you, OSM is not a community of people, it's just a database that can be queried, bulk-updated, and bulk-updated again. Numerous efforts have been undertaken to explain this to you but you just don't want to see it; you insist on treating OSM, on treating us all, as if we were just too stupid to simply do a few SQL updates on our database. Your "Quick Fix" tool is either a sign that you have understood nothing and really believe that a tag change edit can be "checked" by someone while looking at a zoom level 4 map, or it is another brazen attempt at subverting our quality standards, seducing even more people to make the kind of poor-quality, lack-of-local-knowledge types of edits that you have often been criticized for. If you are harshly criticized then it is because your actions are dangerous to OSM, and because you haven't listened to prior friendly messages and warnings. You have harmed OSM, and when this was pointed out to you, you harmed OSM even more, and now you're proudly presenting a software that will help others to harm OSM. You have had ample friendly warnings, but you have heaped toxic actions on toxic actions. You have been criticised professionally and in a friendly way and you replied along the lines of "thank you I will consider it", and continued - again and again. This may look friendly on paper; you didn't use any swear words and you always said thank you. But after a while, the "thank yous" ring hollow. Your actions are treating OSM with disrespect, and have been doing so for the last half year. You have no right to complain about "toxicity". Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
