Hi
"this tool has nothing to do with Wikidata"
"Currently, the tool creates two changeset tags:
created_by=OSM+Wikidata 0.1"
Am I confused by what you mean by "this tool"?
DaveF
On 15/10/2017 13:04, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
Andu, with all due respect, you are misrepresenting things. I have
received praises on OSM-RU channel, and that's where I got my first
bug reports and suggestions that were quickly fixed. The current
mailing thread also received a praise from Steve. I have received a
private email explicitly praising this tool, some twitter feedback,
plus, some general encouragements for my efforts. So, despite some
vocal people on one side of the issue, claiming to represent "the
community" is not accurate, as others have expressed opposing views.
Thus, it is not as uniform as you try to portray it, but rather, as
any other conflict, deserves a thoughtful approach to attempt to
balance goals of everyone, and to find a valuable compromise.
At the same time, judging from the fact that someone did not feel
comfortable emailing to the group, there seems to be significant
toxicity and bullying going on. There was a number of personal
attacks, which to me seems to be a violation of our communication
policies, and which I deliberately ignore. So no, I see some people in
the community may support it, but do not want to participate in such a
violent discussion. When someone is foaming at the mouth, people tend
to stay away, rather than engage in a constructive discussion.
Luckily, there has been some valuable feedback too, and I hope our
community will be mature enough to provide more broadly. For example,
Simon was very clear and explicit about the exact deficiencies he
objected to - something that I attempted to rectify, and will continue
to improve on. Some other remarks, despite being presented in a bad
form, lead me to more good fixes such as a mandatory high zoom before
editing. I am clearly continuing to participate in the discussion, and
try to abstain from discussing PEOPLE, but instead concentrate on a
specific IDEA being presented in this thread, and the specific
PROBLEMS it tries to solve. As a volunteer. Without any financial
benefit from anything I do. Same as many other participants on this
channel, regardless of their views. Trying to maneuver between the
abstract philosophy, various believes of what is the "right thing to
do", and the specific problems and solutions.
P.S. @mmd, sorry for not replying earlier. I suspect you meant it as
an "ad absurdum" argument. Thing is, Wikidata does use wiki pages to
store bot states. Mostly bots generate various talk pages and
templates, and users sometimes modify those talk pages to control the
bots. Yet, this tool has nothing to do with Wikidata, so it is a moot
point to discuss storing OSM metadata there. See my reply about the
"nobot" tag. I think it would help to partially heal the bot-nobot
divide, as it gives control over each object to editors, and allows
mini-bots.
And one last thing. Something that has helped me many times to find
COMPROMISE in a forum discussion. When replying, let's try to sum up
the opponent's position and the reasons for that position, and explain
why you think it is incorrect. Perhaps we should learn from the high
school debate class? Sorry for the long email.
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