If Air is proprietary and an Adobe product I strongly suggest avoiding it purely from a security point of view. Adobe does not have a good reputation in the security world. Comments certainly have been made about Flash.
I don't think we should be encouraging the installation of software that could cause problems for our mappers. I accept that for many who know potlatch well there is a cost of learning something new and many are experienced editors who we'd like to see continue but there are tradeoffs and I think security of the software we are asking people to install should be taken into account. Cheerio John On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 08:54 pangoSE <pang...@riseup.net> wrote: > Is this the platform you are targeting? > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR > > Its proprietary which makes it prone to the same fate as Flash Player. Why > even consider such a move? > > I never use nonfree software like flash so I never tried P2. What is so > special about it? Is there something hindering adding that specialness (as > a plugin perhaps) to JOSM? > > The JOSM devs seem very helpful, supporting and have a friendly culture. > > I suggest letting this code die as it lures people to install nonfree and > therefore dangerous software. Alternatively that you team up with your 20 > mio edits-peers and port the code to something that does not require > proprietary software. > > You did not present a single usecase that is not covered already by one of > the other free software editors so I'm guessing you will have a hard time > convincing your peers to team up around yet another editor, but I might be > wrong. > > I don't care about your ROI arguments because they are based on the not > outspoken premise that economics of software development is more important > when making decisions than freedom, which is false IMO. > If you had compared 2 free software projects like iD and JOSM that run > without any proprietary code, then it might have been relevant. > > I suggest declining support of any software project that is or requires > proprietary software to run. > > Cheers > pangoSE > PS I use 4 different editors to edit in the database: JOSM, OsmAnd, > StreetComplete and rarely iD. > > > Richard Fairhurst <rich...@systemed.net> skrev: (2 augusti 2020 10:28:22 > CEST) >> >> Skyler Hawthorne wrote: >> > Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I think using any funds at all to >> > continue support for a tool that 1% of editors use would be wasteful. >> > Flash is, for all intents and purposes, a dead technology. This >> > money is better spent on other uses. >> >> The entire point is to move away from a dead technology (Flash Player) to >> a supported one (AIR). >> >> On the percentage stat, it's worth bearing in mind that the P2 project is >> by a long chalk the smallest sum (€2500) of the three that OSMF is >> proposing here. As a point of comparison, iD was initially developed with a >> $575,000 grant from the Knight Foundation in 2012, so roughly $646,000 now. >> Very conservatively estimating the cost of employing 1-2 developers to code >> on iD since then, you get a development cost of roughly €0.004 per (2020) >> changeset for iD vs $0.0002 for P2, which is kind of fun. >> >> (I'm actually pleasantly surprised that P2 still has so many changesets - >> 20 million last year, and I'm guessing high teens this year - given how >> difficult it is to get Flash Player running in most browsers these days. >> That suggests that P2's users are using it because they want to do so, not >> because they are magically unaware of the existence of other editors. I >> suspect if you could find another way of getting 20 million edits for €2500 >> then we would snap your hand off.) >> >> Looking forward, and continuing the theme of ROI, the other benefit of >> the project is that it enables development work to continue on P2. The >> reason I have bid for funding for this, for the first time in 14 years of >> developing editors for OpenStreetMap, is that it will take a solid chunk of >> sustained work to do the AIR conversion and a bunch of other stuff I >> believe will make P2 more sustainable into the future, and there is a hard >> deadline for that sustained work (i.e. Flash Player switch-off at the end >> of the year). It's not a project that can just be done in evenings here and >> there. That enables further, unfunded developments in the future, and in >> turn I hope the tradition of other editors taking inspiration from P2 can >> continue - it's not for nothing that JOSM has a Potlatch 2 style and a >> "Potlatch mode" for editing. >> >> But you are, of course, welcome to develop and put forward a project to >> OSMF which you believe will have more bang for the buck. "Other uses" is >> easy to type but doesn't actually mean anything until you identify what >> those uses are, and crucially, find someone who is prepared to do them. >> >> Richard >> > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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