On 24/04/2023 16:57, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote:
Apr 22, 2023, 14:10 by ajt1...@gmail.com:
More generally, anyone with half a brain consuming OSM shop data
(or actually, _any_ external data from _anywhere_) will look at
the values contained in it***.
And that is exactly what lead to proposing this edits - I was writing
code to handle OSM
data and researched tagging situation. And one of[1] effects was
discovering numerous
cases of tags that seem to be exact duplicates of more standard ones,
and retagging
them seems to clearly improve OSM data as far as I can see
Your continued tagfiddling here is making it much harder for local
mappers to find problem values in OSM data.
No-one's going to complain about you changing "shop=shoe" to
"shop=shoes" - they clearly have the same meaning, so changing the less
common form to the more common form is a net benefit.
However, your recent changes have gone much further than this, included
changing shops with values you don't understand into "shop=yes". As an
example, consider https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/353944525 . It was
previously "shop=retail", an unusual and rare tag that would likely flag
up the interest of a passing local mapper. You changed it to
"shop=yes", of which there are 180,000 of in OSM. No-one is going to
spot that as an "unusual" shop at all. This one's actually a charity
shop, and a question about it on IRC would have got that response in
only a few minutes (or a glance at taginfo/overpass:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/name=Lighthouse%20Charity%20Shop#overview
/ https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1v3j ).
Changing "invalid" (by whatever definition) values to "valid but
incorrect" ones does not improve the quality of OSM, and it actually
hides problems so that they are much harder to fix in the future.
Do we perhaps need a StreetComplete quest searching for incorrect values
set by "Mateusz Konieczny - bot account" so that they can be corrected
to valid values? :)
In the case of the changesets that I've seen just now and commented on
(see https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=3199858
) many are by longstanding contributors to OSM. In many cases a comment
on a previous changeset would have got the answer "yes, obviously that
should be a shop=xyz" (rather than you just setting it to shop=yes). I
thought that after the discussion on
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/134837986 that you weren't going
to mass-change actual values to shop=yes any more, but clearly I was wrong.
Best Regards,
Andy
(for the avoidance of doubt, writing in a personal capacity)
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