Jerry, Having met several times over the last eleven years (became active again in the caving (spelunking) community in 2005), I feel I know you as a friend. I enjoy The Texas Caver when I can find one but will leave the current "discussion" to you and others. I will say I like your responses to the allegations. Keep up the intelligent conversation. I will probably regret sending this, (not really). Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 15, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jerry via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > RK, > > As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite a > bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your > Texas Cavers. > > As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver of > late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it goes > to the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one doesn't > know if the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and the > editor in the past has ignored the advice that has been given her from > several folks that actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to beat > their heads against the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic > encephalopathy (CTE) as you call it. > > Jerry Atkinson (old coon). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?) > > Jerry, > > You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called chronic > traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account old coon. > > You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas > Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth. > > RK > > Get Outlook for iOS > > _____________________________ > From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?) > To: <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com> > > > I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or > climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate. > > Jerry. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Jerry, > > It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver when > you have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. Quit > before you embarrass yourself any more. > > RK > > Get Outlook for iOS > > > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via > Texascavers"<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really poorly > edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would have gone > to extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could as a true > apology for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I gave credit > where credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in articles to a > defunct Cvr even if they didn't know it would be published. They deserve > accolades, not the editor. > > Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were an > officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather than > send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster results of > a TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious problem. > > And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the TSA, > edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another past > editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years and been > involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a lesson on how > things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the TSA and TxCvr > work. > > You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just > putting on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous jobs > required by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by others > before you. The thousands of days and hours of work by others over 50 some > years to create an organization that brought the various caving groups > together, made them want to contribute to the greater good, and create one of > the best caving publications in the country, is that legacy. That legacy has > been increasingly squandered in the recent past to the point that folks ask > me what difference the TSA makes nowadays. I try to defend the TSA but the > inability to get a TxCvr out for a year, the lack of transparency in > informing the membership of the situation, and the type of response I have > received from you for voicing disgust at a well meant but poorly edited TxCvr > after so long a hiatus, make it difficult. > > And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front cover, > you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe that's part > of our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one must give credit > and applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride that folks seem to > want to put into their work. > > This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and > hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came > before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're > watching. > > Jerry Atkinson. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Wow Jerry. Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who > has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers > positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with > something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their butts > off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication out that > people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to produce, just > to make you focus on spelling errors and publication inconsistencies that > most people don't know about (yet don't get help finding). > > Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. > > > -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. > > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > I am in awe. > > Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin to > return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find that > "Haule"is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the municipality > of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands > > I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly > all these years. And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of some > unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least there were > photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike most of the > other articles. > > I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put > forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles > in the future despite this issue. > > Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out before > TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damnnnnn !" If the polished trappings and > fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement editing, proofreading, > and publication delays, let's consider going back to xerox copies with corner > staples that are timely and actually appear to have been published by an > organization that gave a hoot. > > Jerry Atkinson. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellie Falgout <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm > Subject: Texas Caver Magazine Ready > > TSA Members, > > The long awaited Texas Caver Magazine is printed and also available online in > the members areahttp://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php. I am bringing the > printed magazines to TCR tonight and will have them at the Friday Wine > Tasting and from then on I will probably leave them at registration. The > magazines will finally be available at the TSA members meeting on Sunday, > October 16th at 9am. I will mail any magazines that remain after TCR. > > Thanks to Jill for all your hard work on the magazine. Thanks to Linda Palit > and Niki Lake for helping get the magazine ready from the printer. > > Hope to see you at TCR! > > Ellie > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | > Archives:http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | > Archives:http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | > http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list | > http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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