Stop all the carping it leads nowhere positive. Oldman Wisdom did the UTG Newsletter in the olden days and never spelled a word right but no one cared it was the document that counted.
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > I have written more articles for the Texas Caver in the past 5 years than > any other person. More importantly, I have also offered to assist in > proofreading dozens of times over the years to numerous people, but no one > has gotten me involved in proofing the final version for many years now. > And now we have an issue that has MULTIPLE ERRORS ON THE COVER. If anyone > thinks Jerry is being “hateful” because he is resting on his legacy rather > than offering his proofing capabilities, then let me say as someone who has > offered—and continues to offer—to proofread, multiple blatant errors on the > cover is completely unacceptable. > > > > And for the record, I was the editor of the LAG News for the Lubbock Area > Grotto back in the early 90s. I have a minor in Technical Writing, and a > B.S. in Computer Science. I have too many other large, time-consuming > projects for the Bexar Grotto and TCMA to be the actual editor, but I would > be a huge benefit to the Texas Caver even in a limited proofreading role. > > > > If you want to shut me up about blatant errors, then let me help proof. I > can’t guarantee I’ll catch every error, but at least then I’ll be one the > people blamed instead of one of the people complaining. > > > > --Bennett > > > > > > *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On > Behalf Of *Fritz Holt via Texascavers > *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:24 PM > *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?) > > > > Jerry, > > Having met several times over the last eleven years (became active again > in the caving (spelunking) community in 2005), I feel I know you as a > friend. I enjoy The Texas Caver when I can find one but will leave the > current "discussion" to you and others. I will say I like your responses to > the allegations. Keep up the intelligent conversation. I will probably > regret sending this, (not really). > > Fritz Holt > > fritz...@gmail.com > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 15, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Jerry via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > RK, > > As usual, you speak without knowledge. This old coon has contributed quite > a bit but you probably don't bother to find these things out nor read your > Texas Cavers. > > As for contributing little, I assume you are referring to the Texas Caver > of late. I would be more than happy to proofread the print copy before it > goes to the printer, but that's been rather difficult recently when one > doesn't know if the Texas Caver actually is alive and who is in charge, and > the editor in the past has ignored the advice that has been given her from > several folks that actually have experience editing. Coons don't like to > beat their heads against the wall too often, - leads to chronic traumatic > encephalopathy (CTE) as you call it. > > Jerry Atkinson (old coon). > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > To: texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2016 5:54 am > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?) > > Jerry, > > > > You have been hitting your head with rocks for too long, it's called > chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), time to hang up your email account > old coon. > > > > You insult supporters of Texas caving causes, then go on rants about Texas > Caver where you contribute little. Just become one with the earth. > > > > RK > > > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > _____________________________ > From: via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver Magazine Ready (for what...?) > To: <texascavers@texascavers.com> > Cc: <texascavers@texascavers.com> <texascavers@texascavers.com> > > I think you have me mixed up with someone else. Please either elucidate or > climb back under that rock you tried to hit me with on the Powell's gate. > > > > Jerry. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 15, 2016, at 4:45 AM, Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Jerry, > > > > It's poor form for you to blaming others for appearance of Texas Caver > when you have taken no responsibility for your past leadership failures. > Quit before you embarrass yourself any more. > > > > RK > > Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM -0500, "via Texascavers"<texascavers@ > texascavers.com> wrote: > > What you ought to be pissed off about is waiting a year for a really > poorly edited TxCvr, when anyone that really cared about their job would > have gone to extreme effort to put together the very best issue they could > as a true apology for the transgressions of the past. And for the record, I > gave credit where credit was due: the authors who bothered to send in > articles to a defunct Cvr even if they didn't know it would be published. > They deserve accolades, not the editor. > > > > Sorry you find it hateful to call a spade a spade. Perhaps when you were > an officer of the TSA, you could have helped correct the situation rather > than send nasty emails to those that are disgusted with the lackluster > results of a TSA that apologizes rather than acts when there is a serious > problem. > > > > And as a lesson to history, I have put in my time as an officer of the > TSA, edited the TxCvr, and published the Activities Newsletter when another > past editor did not perform. I've attended TSA meetings for over 40 years > and been involved in and led TSA projects. Don't even try to give me a > lesson on how things work and the sacrifices involved with making both the > TSA and TxCvr work. > > > > You, at least in the past as an officer, were responsible for not just > putting on a Convention, attending meetings, and doing the miscellaneous > jobs required by the office, but also carrying on a legacy established by > others before you. The thousands of days and hours of work by others over > 50 some years to create an organization that brought the various caving > groups together, made them want to contribute to the greater good, and > create one of the best caving publications in the country, is that legacy. > That legacy has been increasingly squandered in the recent past to the > point that folks ask me what difference the TSA makes nowadays. I try to > defend the TSA but the inability to get a TxCvr out for a year, the lack of > transparency in informing the membership of the situation, and the type of > response I have received from you for voicing disgust at a well meant but > poorly edited TxCvr after so long a hiatus, make it difficult. > > > > And if you think folks don't notice those glaring errors on the front > cover, you must really have a low opinion of their expectations. Maybe > that's part of our problem. Just getting by is apparently the norm, one > must give credit and applause even for a poor job, and the lack of pride > that folks seem to want to put into their work. > > > > This may sound like nasty, hateful, talk and make you want to run away and > hide, but it's time for the TSA to stand up and be counted. Those that came > before you carried the water for many years. Now it's your turn and we're > watching. > > > > Jerry Atkinson. > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Wow Jerry. Thanks for being yet another hateful caver "family member" who > has nothing nice to say, yet can't keep their mouth shut, who never offers > positive criticism or maybe an offer to help those who need assistance with > something they are new at doing. Sorry that so many people worked their > butts off aside from their normal jobs and families to get a publication > out that people have been griping about not getting, but not helping to > produce, just to make you focus on spelling errors and publication > inconsistencies that most people don't know about (yet don't get help > finding). > > > > Man, I'm so glad to be a part of this group. > > > > > > -sincerely, your pissed off former secretary. > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Jerry via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > I am in awe. > > Just a quick perusal of the cover says it all. I'll be waiting for Marvin > to return from his time machine trip to 2105. And for grins, I did find > that "Haule"is a village consisting of about 610 inhabitants in the > municipality of Ooststellingwerf in the east of Friesland in the Netherlands > > I was astounded to find that I have been spelling "flow stone" incorrectly > all these years. And who authored the "Forged in Fire" photo montage of > some unknown cave(s) somewhere in Hawaii at some unknown date. At least > there were photo captions identifying the people, if not the cave, unlike > most of the other articles. > > I did enjoy the articles, and I appreciate the effort that the authors put > forward for the enjoyment of us all. I hope you continue to submit articles > in the future despite this issue. > > Really, folks, I understand that you all wanted to get this issue out > before TCR and were probably rushed, but "Damnnnnn !" If the polished > trappings and fancy layout are the reasons for the bargain basement > editing, proofreading, and publication delays, let's consider going back to > xerox copies with corner staples that are timely and actually appear to > have been published by an organization that gave a hoot. > > Jerry Atkinson. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellie Falgout <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Sent: Fri, Oct 14, 2016 12:14 pm > Subject: Texas Caver Magazine Ready > > TSA Members, > > The long awaited Texas Caver Magazine is printed and also available online > in the members areahttp://www.cavetexas.org/members/index.php. I am > bringing the printed magazines to TCR tonight and will have them at the > Friday Wine Tasting and from then on I will probably leave them at > registration. The magazines will finally be available at the TSA members > meeting on Sunday, October 16th at 9am. I will mail any magazines that > remain after TCR. > > Thanks to Jill for all your hard work on the magazine. Thanks to Linda > Palit and Niki Lake for helping get the magazine ready from the printer. > > Hope to see you at TCR! > > Ellie > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives:http://www.mail- > archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives:http://www.mail- > archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > > _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list > | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > _______________________________________________ Texascavers mailing list > | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > _______________________________________________ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving
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