Pranam Sorry sir; I am misunderstood. I never ACCUSED YOU OR EVEN ATTRIBUTED ANYTHING AS YOU WROTE. You wanted brief and without Sanskrit; and as you do Telegu some times to enforce the attention, so too, all times , I quote my ancestors of India, to authenticate, hence in Sanskrit and Romanised Sanskrit with the meaning; so that, what you have written under the protection of the nature, at times from Carl Sagan etc, and several quotes from the nets which is the west reproductions, led me think that , it is time for the people to know, read, understand, learn or try to focus, WHAT IS THERE HERE; it is not a mantra merely; it has in-depth meaning; what we are thinking today, was once a thought emanating from the ancestors. who lived at least 10000 years ago; your worries were already thought over and answered. That I am presenting for all to read , if they have health and time; some may read English; some roman-sanskrit; some even the Sanskrit; that which I write in 2 parts; (1) ancestors say here , all are derivative of mathematics and convertible in terms of Maths ; you feel it is not; now original thoughts get shaped up by sifting the facts. And (2) I have a fact that there is no thought without any cause of action; that action is experience or palm leaves or teachings or even hearsay like that. Without knowing one thing as TREE , one cannot write it as tree; and unless there is a vision or perspective angle -one cannot think. Even for a swayambu, that article must exist there before; there is neither cause without action and vice-versa. Hence people born here, unaware of what we have, seek something from outside, unaware of the meaning and the source of that matter; there as far as what I know I try to show the existence earlier here; long because, it must be understood. Brief is not understood by all equally. Thank u KR IRS 16522
On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 12:40, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you.You credit me with reading books from the west.The truth is I > neither read the books of the west nor the east.I write on my own.I am the > most unread person in the forum. > YM > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:37 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Pranam >> Sanskrit blend is needed for you people who only read west and do not try >> to know what we have. If you can learn French and German , learning a >> language is not tough. Also what Carl Sagan had written today is a master >> photo print of the ancient knowledge ,without which, people go aghast on >> Carl Sagan, It is not depreciating the west. But without appreciation of >> our parents , appreciating the neobor I opine as a crime. I write only like >> that to say that there is nothing we do not have but we stubbornly refuse >> to learn it but want the land to do a lot for those. If you feel otherwise >> I am sorry but truth is bitter. People who cannot understand Arabiindo and >> Dayananda and so many , I WONDER, how they so easily can follow sagan and >> the rest?. I crave your pardon again but if you follow my thoughts, for >> every western action I react to, our standards existed at least 10000 years >> back. Kashmir files last 10 minutes of dialogue. Our texts are not >> religious dust byr scientific way of life laid on a platter long long ago >> which others may turn their neck, but not us. KR IRS 16522 >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 10:00, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> Thank you very much.Can I request for very simple sentences without the >>> Sanskrit blend >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:40 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Pranam >>>> The adaptability of cost ,profit, Mathematics are all placed >>>> in one flow ,aspiring from one angle, based on certain individual >>>> definitions. >>>> >>>> Maths >>>> >>>> Upapatti and "Proof" >>>> >>>> In the introduction to the section on spherics (Golādhyāya) of his >>>> treatise Siddhāntaśiromaõi, Bhāskarācārya II explains the central purpose >>>> behind his exposition of upapattis: >>>> >>>> मद्यध्याम् धुसधाम् यदत्र गनिथम् छ योपपतिम्विन >>>> >>>> प्रोउदेएम् प्रोउद सभसु नोउति गनको निस्सम्सयो निस्वयम् >>>> >>>> गोले सा विमला करामलकवथ् प्रत्यसथो स्रुयते >>>> >>>> समध्यम् युपपति बोध्यवितये गोलप्रबन्ध्योथ: >>>> >>>> Without the knowledge of upapattis, by merely mastering the >>>> calculations (gaõita) described here, from the madhyamādhikāra (the first >>>> chapter of Siddhāntaśiromaõi) onwards, of the [motion of the] heavenly >>>> bodies, a mathematician will not be respected in the scholarly assemblies; >>>> without the upapattis he himself will not be free of doubt (niÜsa§śaya). >>>> Since upapatti is clearly perceivable in the (armillary) sphere like a >>>> berry in the hand, I therefore begin the Golādhyāya (section on spherics) >>>> to explain the upapattis. >>>> >>>> The same is echoed by the Gaõeśa Daivajña in his famous commentary >>>> Buddhivilāsinī (c.1540) on Bhāskarācārya’s Līlāvatī: >>>> >>>> Without upapatti, whatever is stated in vyakta-gaõita (mathematics >>>> dealing with manifest quantities – arithmetic and geometry) or >>>> avyakta-gaõita (mathematics dealing with un-manifest quantities – >>>> algebra), will not be rendered free from confusion (nirbhrānta); nor will >>>> it have any value in an assembly of mathematicians. Upapatti is indeed >>>> directly and pleasantly perceivable like a mirror in hand. It is therefore, >>>> as also for the elevation of the intellect, that I proceed to enunciate >>>> upapattis in entirety. Thus, the notion of upapatti seems to be >>>> significantly different from the notion of "proof" as understood in the >>>> Greco-European tradition of mathematics. According to the Indian >>>> mathematical texts, the purpose of upapatti is mainly: (i) to remove >>>> confusion and doubts regarding the validity and interpretation of >>>> mathematical results and procedures; and, (ii) to obtain assent in the >>>> community of mathematicians. This is very different from the ideal of >>>> "proof" in the Greco-European tradition which is to irrefutably establish >>>> the absolute truth of a mathematical proposition. Further, in the >>>> Indian tradition, mathematical knowledge is not taken to be different in >>>> any fundamental sense from that in natural sciences. In fact, valid >>>> means for acquiring and validating mathematical knowledge are the same as >>>> in other sciences: Pratyakùa (perception), Anumāna (inference), Śabda or >>>> Agama (authentic text or tradition). >>>> >>>> However, there are no instances where Indian mathematicians >>>> use the method of indirect proof to establish the existence of an entity, >>>> the existence of which is not demonstrable (even in principle) by other >>>> (direct) means of verification. In this sense, the Indian mathematical >>>> tradition may be seen as adopting what is nowadays referred to as the >>>> "constructivist" approach to the issue of mathematical existence. It >>>> is important to note that this significant feature of Indian mathematical >>>> tradition is closely related to the world-view of the Naiyāyikas or Indian >>>> logicians, who do not accord tarka (or the method of indirect proof) the >>>> status of an independent source of valid knowledge (pramāõa). Indeed >>>> the general philosophical approach of Indian logicians is one of >>>> eliminating from logical discourse all reference to such aprasiddha or >>>> un-instantiated entities, whose existence is not even in principle >>>> accessible to direct means of verification. In fact, the Naiyāyikas would >>>> even reconcile to live with contradictions rather than allow the use of >>>> such aprasiddha entities in their logical discourse. This is brought >>>> out very clearly by Matilal by citing an important passage from >>>> Ātmatattvaviveka of Udayanācārya (c. 10th century) which deals with an >>>> argument between the Bauddhas and Naiyāyika. HENCE THERE IS NOTHING THAT >>>> CANNOT BE MEASURED BY THE MATHEMATICS AND NUMBERS; THE COMPUTER LANGUAGE >>>> CODED IN TERMS OF THE MATHEMATICAL “0” AND “1”, IS NOTHING BUT ORIGIN OF >>>> siva and shakthi as 1 and 0. Mathematics can express all including the >>>> negative numbers. Brahmam is one and the negative energy @ MAYA or >>>> PRAKRITHI OR SHAKTI is shunya. >>>> >>>> 2 Cost reduction is the achievement of real and permanent reduction >>>> in unit cost of products manufactured. It therefore continuously attempts >>>> to achieve genuine savings in cost of production, distribution, selling and >>>> administration. It does not accept a standard or budget as impenetrable or >>>> fixed, it rather challenges the standards or budgets continuously to make >>>> improvements in them. “Cost reduction” is a continuous process of critical >>>> cost examination, analysis and challenge of standards. In this each aspect >>>> of businesses such as products, process, procedures, methods, organization, >>>> personnel etc., are critically examined and reviewed with a view of >>>> improving efficiency and effectiveness and reducing the costs. Cost >>>> reduction begins where cost control ends. Cost control seeks to bring the >>>> actuals in harmony with the predetermined targets. If this happens, >>>> assuming no increase or decrease in costs, the profit margin becomes more >>>> or less fixed at a particular level of sales. However, this is easier said >>>> than done. In actual practice, prices may fluctuate. Alternatively, sales >>>> may decline due to various reasons. In all these cases, the business must >>>> aim at maximising profits at the same level of sales by reducing costs. >>>> Cost reduction seeks to achieve a permanent reduction in cost, without >>>> impairing the quality of the product. It is a planned way of improving the >>>> efficiency of business operations. >>>> >>>> 1 Cost reduction is confined to genuine savings in costs of >>>> manufacture, administration, distribution and selling. ( has the limitation >>>> subject to many factors external, which would not keep at the byoyancy >>>> level, at the same standard cost. ). >>>> >>>> 2 Reduction in cost to consumer as a result of reduction in taxation >>>> or Government design or price agreements will not be covered by cost >>>> reduction. These are not real and permanent reductions in cost due to >>>> planned efforts. Cost reduction does not include windfall reduction or >>>> fortuitous reduction. >>>> >>>> 3 . Cost reduction assumes that product or service will retain its >>>> essential characteristics and quality. If reduction in cost results in >>>> deterioration of quality, it will not be covered by the term Cost >>>> Reduction. >>>> >>>> 4 Cooperation and teamwork are essential features of any planned >>>> approach to cost reduction. Direct saving of cost is the most tangible >>>> objective of cost reduction, but it profoundly influences the wide sphere >>>> of business as a whole. >>>> HENCE THERE CAN NEVER BE AN UTOPIAN COST REDUCTION AND REDUCING THE >>>> PROFIT , ACCOMADATE EACH INDIVIDUAL. >>>> Therefore an utopian theory of conjecture is at the far away >>>> plane, unnoticeable. Maths would explain all scientifically; when I say >>>> scientifically , it means , the negative numbers cannot have the square >>>> root and one shall not demand the theory of the impossibility. KR IRS >>>> 16522 >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 06:43, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >>>> yeddanapu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *The Ruin of the Profit Mania* >>>>> >>>>> Cost and Income are the two sides of a coin. When you pay for >>>>> expenditure, to the payee it is income. If costs are reduced, incomes also >>>>> get reduced. If every firm becomes the optimum firm, which means that it >>>>> achieved the lowest cost for a unit of output, there will be no income at >>>>> all in the economy and it will be the ultimate ruin called the great >>>>> depression. If every firm makes profit, all together dive into the abyss. >>>>> >>>>> A loss making unit is one which is giving more to the society than >>>>> what it is taking from the society. In fact the profit making firms are >>>>> existing because; they are maintained by the loss sustaining units. A >>>>> profit making unit gives less than what it takes and the loss making unit, >>>>> gives more than what it takes from the society. >>>>> >>>>> This vital service, which keeps economies safe or save the economy >>>>> from death, is being performed by the Public Sector Undertakings in India. >>>>> If all public sector undertakings are to be gifted to the private >>>>> merchants, and if they begin cutting costs or reduce the income generation >>>>> in the society, there will be the ultimate economic depression, the big >>>>> ruin. >>>>> >>>>> An economy of 140 crore people needs the vital avenue where loss >>>>> generation or the income generation in the society, is maintained. Loss >>>>> simply means incomes given without the equal return. >>>>> >>>>> There is a very big minus side to the cost reduction, ruin of nature. >>>>> A profit making unit, poisons the land, water, air, and kills the flora >>>>> and >>>>> fauna, or simply shifts to the society and nature the costs which it has >>>>> to >>>>> pay. When nature is murdered so systematically and completely, we also die >>>>> gradually. All profit making units together ultimately murder nature. >>>>> >>>>> The Basmasuras of today, sport big academic qualifications surround >>>>> themselves with intellectual statements emitting sycophants, posing as the >>>>> great Dons, leaving no scope for simple sanity. The Dons obfuscate with >>>>> very complicated but really irrelevant mathematics, but they look >>>>> technical >>>>> and superior. >>>>> >>>>> There is one undeniable fact. You can explain everything with >>>>> sentences but you cannot represent everything with mathematics. >>>>> Mathematics >>>>> always leaves with incomplete explanations. No single emotion or feeling >>>>> can be quantified. >>>>> >>>>> YM >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to thatha_patty+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqpFg4kYsVghQ4wbv5C5ePdrTPDwVp5BeQ9kaAAmbynXw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CAL5XZoqpFg4kYsVghQ4wbv5C5ePdrTPDwVp5BeQ9kaAAmbynXw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar* >>> >> > > -- > *Mar* > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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