Please send the poem of Sri Sridharan if available in English.I missed many wonderful persons by leaving Iyer123. YM
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:13 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pranam > OK sir. We made ourselves clear. Sridharan ji poem has in depth meaning > KR. IRS. 16522 > > On Mon, May 16, 2022, 18:41 Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sir, >> My responses to you are respectful because of my awe at your mastery of >> so many fields.No other feeling at any time.I have not read many books.That >> is a fact. >> YM >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:47 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Pranam >>> Sorry sir; I am misunderstood. I never ACCUSED YOU OR EVEN ATTRIBUTED >>> ANYTHING AS YOU WROTE. You wanted brief and without Sanskrit; and as you do >>> Telegu some times to enforce the attention, so too, all times , I quote my >>> ancestors of India, to authenticate, hence in Sanskrit and Romanised >>> Sanskrit with the meaning; so that, what you have written under the >>> protection of the nature, at times from Carl Sagan etc, and several quotes >>> from the nets which is the west reproductions, led me think that , it is >>> time for the people to know, read, understand, learn or try to focus, WHAT >>> IS THERE HERE; it is not a mantra merely; it has in-depth meaning; what we >>> are thinking today, was once a thought emanating from the ancestors. who >>> lived at least 10000 years ago; your worries were already thought over and >>> answered. That I am presenting for all to read , if they have health and >>> time; some may read English; some roman-sanskrit; some even the Sanskrit; >>> that which I write in 2 parts; (1) ancestors say here , all are derivative >>> of mathematics and convertible in terms of Maths ; you feel it is not; now >>> original thoughts get shaped up by sifting the facts. And (2) I have a >>> fact that there is no thought without any cause of action; that action is >>> experience or palm leaves or teachings or even hearsay like that. Without >>> knowing one thing as TREE , one cannot write it as tree; and unless there >>> is a vision or perspective angle -one cannot think. Even for a swayambu, >>> that article must exist there before; there is neither cause without action >>> and vice-versa. Hence people born here, unaware of what we have, seek >>> something from outside, unaware of the meaning and the source of that >>> matter; there as far as what I know I try to show the existence earlier >>> here; long because, it must be understood. Brief is not understood by all >>> equally. Thank u KR IRS 16522 >>> >>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 12:40, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>> markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you.You credit me with reading books from the west.The truth is I >>>> neither read the books of the west nor the east.I write on my own.I am the >>>> most unread person in the forum. >>>> YM >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:37 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pranam >>>>> Sanskrit blend is needed for you people who only read west and do not >>>>> try to know what we have. If you can learn French and German , learning a >>>>> language is not tough. Also what Carl Sagan had written today is a master >>>>> photo print of the ancient knowledge ,without which, people go aghast on >>>>> Carl Sagan, It is not depreciating the west. But without appreciation of >>>>> our parents , appreciating the neobor I opine as a crime. I write only >>>>> like >>>>> that to say that there is nothing we do not have but we stubbornly refuse >>>>> to learn it but want the land to do a lot for those. If you feel otherwise >>>>> I am sorry but truth is bitter. People who cannot understand Arabiindo and >>>>> Dayananda and so many , I WONDER, how they so easily can follow sagan and >>>>> the rest?. I crave your pardon again but if you follow my thoughts, for >>>>> every western action I react to, our standards existed at least 10000 >>>>> years >>>>> back. Kashmir files last 10 minutes of dialogue. Our texts are not >>>>> religious dust byr scientific way of life laid on a platter long long ago >>>>> which others may turn their neck, but not us. KR IRS 16522 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 10:00, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>>>> markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> Thank you very much.Can I request for very simple sentences without >>>>>> the Sanskrit blend >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:40 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pranam >>>>>>> The adaptability of cost ,profit, Mathematics are all >>>>>>> placed in one flow ,aspiring from one angle, based on certain individual >>>>>>> definitions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maths >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Upapatti and "Proof" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the introduction to the section on spherics (Golādhyāya) of his >>>>>>> treatise Siddhāntaśiromaõi, Bhāskarācārya II explains the central >>>>>>> purpose >>>>>>> behind his exposition of upapattis: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> मद्यध्याम् धुसधाम् यदत्र गनिथम् छ योपपतिम्विन >>>>>>> >>>>>>> प्रोउदेएम् प्रोउद सभसु नोउति गनको निस्सम्सयो निस्वयम् >>>>>>> >>>>>>> गोले सा विमला करामलकवथ् प्रत्यसथो स्रुयते >>>>>>> >>>>>>> समध्यम् युपपति बोध्यवितये गोलप्रबन्ध्योथ: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Without the knowledge of upapattis, by merely mastering the >>>>>>> calculations (gaõita) described here, from the madhyamādhikāra (the >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> chapter of Siddhāntaśiromaõi) onwards, of the [motion of the] heavenly >>>>>>> bodies, a mathematician will not be respected in the scholarly >>>>>>> assemblies; >>>>>>> without the upapattis he himself will not be free of doubt >>>>>>> (niÜsa§śaya). >>>>>>> Since upapatti is clearly perceivable in the (armillary) sphere like a >>>>>>> berry in the hand, I therefore begin the Golādhyāya (section on >>>>>>> spherics) >>>>>>> to explain the upapattis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The same is echoed by the Gaõeśa Daivajña in his famous commentary >>>>>>> Buddhivilāsinī (c.1540) on Bhāskarācārya’s Līlāvatī: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Without upapatti, whatever is stated in vyakta-gaõita >>>>>>> (mathematics dealing with manifest quantities – arithmetic and >>>>>>> geometry) >>>>>>> or avyakta-gaõita (mathematics dealing with un-manifest quantities – >>>>>>> algebra), will not be rendered free from confusion (nirbhrānta); nor >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> it have any value in an assembly of mathematicians. Upapatti is indeed >>>>>>> directly and pleasantly perceivable like a mirror in hand. It is >>>>>>> therefore, >>>>>>> as also for the elevation of the intellect, that I proceed to enunciate >>>>>>> upapattis in entirety. Thus, the notion of upapatti seems to be >>>>>>> significantly different from the notion of "proof" as understood in the >>>>>>> Greco-European tradition of mathematics. According to the Indian >>>>>>> mathematical texts, the purpose of upapatti is mainly: (i) to remove >>>>>>> confusion and doubts regarding the validity and interpretation of >>>>>>> mathematical results and procedures; and, (ii) to obtain assent in the >>>>>>> community of mathematicians. This is very different from the ideal of >>>>>>> "proof" in the Greco-European tradition which is to irrefutably >>>>>>> establish >>>>>>> the absolute truth of a mathematical proposition. Further, in the >>>>>>> Indian tradition, mathematical knowledge is not taken to be different in >>>>>>> any fundamental sense from that in natural sciences. In fact, valid >>>>>>> means for acquiring and validating mathematical knowledge are the same >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> in other sciences: Pratyakùa (perception), Anumāna (inference), Śabda or >>>>>>> Agama (authentic text or tradition). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, there are no instances where Indian mathematicians >>>>>>> use the method of indirect proof to establish the existence of an >>>>>>> entity, >>>>>>> the existence of which is not demonstrable (even in principle) by other >>>>>>> (direct) means of verification. In this sense, the Indian >>>>>>> mathematical tradition may be seen as adopting what is nowadays >>>>>>> referred to >>>>>>> as the "constructivist" approach to the issue of mathematical existence. >>>>>>> It is important to note that this significant feature of Indian >>>>>>> mathematical tradition is closely related to the world-view of the >>>>>>> Naiyāyikas or Indian logicians, who do not accord tarka (or the method >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> indirect proof) the status of an independent source of valid knowledge >>>>>>> (pramāõa). Indeed the general philosophical approach of Indian >>>>>>> logicians is one of eliminating from logical discourse all reference to >>>>>>> such aprasiddha or un-instantiated entities, whose existence is not >>>>>>> even in >>>>>>> principle accessible to direct means of verification. In fact, the >>>>>>> Naiyāyikas would even reconcile to live with contradictions rather than >>>>>>> allow the use of such aprasiddha entities in their logical discourse. >>>>>>> This is brought out very clearly by Matilal by citing an important >>>>>>> passage >>>>>>> from Ātmatattvaviveka of Udayanācārya (c. 10th century) which deals >>>>>>> with an >>>>>>> argument between the Bauddhas and Naiyāyika. HENCE THERE IS NOTHING THAT >>>>>>> CANNOT BE MEASURED BY THE MATHEMATICS AND NUMBERS; THE COMPUTER LANGUAGE >>>>>>> CODED IN TERMS OF THE MATHEMATICAL “0” AND “1”, IS NOTHING BUT ORIGIN OF >>>>>>> siva and shakthi as 1 and 0. Mathematics can express all including the >>>>>>> negative numbers. Brahmam is one and the negative energy @ MAYA or >>>>>>> PRAKRITHI OR SHAKTI is shunya. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 Cost reduction is the achievement of real and permanent >>>>>>> reduction in unit cost of products manufactured. It therefore >>>>>>> continuously >>>>>>> attempts to achieve genuine savings in cost of production, distribution, >>>>>>> selling and administration. It does not accept a standard or budget as >>>>>>> impenetrable or fixed, it rather challenges the standards or budgets >>>>>>> continuously to make improvements in them. “Cost reduction” is a >>>>>>> continuous >>>>>>> process of critical cost examination, analysis and challenge of >>>>>>> standards. >>>>>>> In this each aspect of businesses such as products, process, procedures, >>>>>>> methods, organization, personnel etc., are critically examined and >>>>>>> reviewed >>>>>>> with a view of improving efficiency and effectiveness and reducing the >>>>>>> costs. Cost reduction begins where cost control ends. Cost control >>>>>>> seeks to >>>>>>> bring the actuals in harmony with the predetermined targets. If this >>>>>>> happens, assuming no increase or decrease in costs, the profit margin >>>>>>> becomes more or less fixed at a particular level of sales. However, >>>>>>> this is >>>>>>> easier said than done. In actual practice, prices may fluctuate. >>>>>>> Alternatively, sales may decline due to various reasons. In all these >>>>>>> cases, the business must aim at maximising profits at the same level of >>>>>>> sales by reducing costs. Cost reduction seeks to achieve a permanent >>>>>>> reduction in cost, without impairing the quality of the product. It is a >>>>>>> planned way of improving the efficiency of business operations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1 Cost reduction is confined to genuine savings in costs of >>>>>>> manufacture, administration, distribution and selling. ( has the >>>>>>> limitation >>>>>>> subject to many factors external, which would not keep at the byoyancy >>>>>>> level, at the same standard cost. ). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 Reduction in cost to consumer as a result of reduction in >>>>>>> taxation or Government design or price agreements will not be covered by >>>>>>> cost reduction. These are not real and permanent reductions in cost due >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> planned efforts. Cost reduction does not include windfall reduction or >>>>>>> fortuitous reduction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3 . Cost reduction assumes that product or service will retain its >>>>>>> essential characteristics and quality. If reduction in cost results in >>>>>>> deterioration of quality, it will not be covered by the term Cost >>>>>>> Reduction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4 Cooperation and teamwork are essential features of any planned >>>>>>> approach to cost reduction. Direct saving of cost is the most tangible >>>>>>> objective of cost reduction, but it profoundly influences the wide >>>>>>> sphere >>>>>>> of business as a whole. >>>>>>> HENCE THERE CAN NEVER BE AN UTOPIAN COST REDUCTION AND REDUCING THE >>>>>>> PROFIT , ACCOMADATE EACH INDIVIDUAL. >>>>>>> Therefore an utopian theory of conjecture is at the far >>>>>>> away plane, unnoticeable. Maths would explain all scientifically; when I >>>>>>> say scientifically , it means , the negative numbers cannot have the >>>>>>> square >>>>>>> root and one shall not demand the theory of the impossibility. KR IRS >>>>>>> 16522 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 06:43, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >>>>>>> yeddanapu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *The Ruin of the Profit Mania* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cost and Income are the two sides of a coin. When you pay for >>>>>>>> expenditure, to the payee it is income. If costs are reduced, incomes >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> get reduced. If every firm becomes the optimum firm, which means that >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> achieved the lowest cost for a unit of output, there will be no income >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> all in the economy and it will be the ultimate ruin called the great >>>>>>>> depression. If every firm makes profit, all together dive into the >>>>>>>> abyss. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A loss making unit is one which is giving more to the society than >>>>>>>> what it is taking from the society. In fact the profit making firms are >>>>>>>> existing because; they are maintained by the loss sustaining units. A >>>>>>>> profit making unit gives less than what it takes and the loss making >>>>>>>> unit, >>>>>>>> gives more than what it takes from the society. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This vital service, which keeps economies safe or save the economy >>>>>>>> from death, is being performed by the Public Sector Undertakings in >>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>> If all public sector undertakings are to be gifted to the private >>>>>>>> merchants, and if they begin cutting costs or reduce the income >>>>>>>> generation >>>>>>>> in the society, there will be the ultimate economic depression, the big >>>>>>>> ruin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An economy of 140 crore people needs the vital avenue where loss >>>>>>>> generation or the income generation in the society, is maintained. Loss >>>>>>>> simply means incomes given without the equal return. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is a very big minus side to the cost reduction, ruin of >>>>>>>> nature. A profit making unit, poisons the land, water, air, and kills >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> flora and fauna, or simply shifts to the society and nature the costs >>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>> it has to pay. When nature is murdered so systematically and >>>>>>>> completely, we >>>>>>>> also die gradually. All profit making units together ultimately murder >>>>>>>> nature. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Basmasuras of today, sport big academic qualifications surround >>>>>>>> themselves with intellectual statements emitting sycophants, posing as >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> great Dons, leaving no scope for simple sanity. The Dons obfuscate with >>>>>>>> very complicated but really irrelevant mathematics, but they look >>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>> and superior. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is one undeniable fact. You can explain everything with >>>>>>>> sentences but you cannot represent everything with mathematics. >>>>>>>> Mathematics >>>>>>>> always leaves with incomplete explanations. 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