Sir, My responses to you are respectful because of my awe at your mastery of so many fields.No other feeling at any time.I have not read many books.That is a fact. YM
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:47 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Pranam > Sorry sir; I am misunderstood. I never ACCUSED YOU OR EVEN ATTRIBUTED > ANYTHING AS YOU WROTE. You wanted brief and without Sanskrit; and as you do > Telegu some times to enforce the attention, so too, all times , I quote my > ancestors of India, to authenticate, hence in Sanskrit and Romanised > Sanskrit with the meaning; so that, what you have written under the > protection of the nature, at times from Carl Sagan etc, and several quotes > from the nets which is the west reproductions, led me think that , it is > time for the people to know, read, understand, learn or try to focus, WHAT > IS THERE HERE; it is not a mantra merely; it has in-depth meaning; what we > are thinking today, was once a thought emanating from the ancestors. who > lived at least 10000 years ago; your worries were already thought over and > answered. That I am presenting for all to read , if they have health and > time; some may read English; some roman-sanskrit; some even the Sanskrit; > that which I write in 2 parts; (1) ancestors say here , all are derivative > of mathematics and convertible in terms of Maths ; you feel it is not; now > original thoughts get shaped up by sifting the facts. And (2) I have a > fact that there is no thought without any cause of action; that action is > experience or palm leaves or teachings or even hearsay like that. Without > knowing one thing as TREE , one cannot write it as tree; and unless there > is a vision or perspective angle -one cannot think. Even for a swayambu, > that article must exist there before; there is neither cause without action > and vice-versa. Hence people born here, unaware of what we have, seek > something from outside, unaware of the meaning and the source of that > matter; there as far as what I know I try to show the existence earlier > here; long because, it must be understood. Brief is not understood by all > equally. Thank u KR IRS 16522 > > On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 12:40, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thank you.You credit me with reading books from the west.The truth is I >> neither read the books of the west nor the east.I write on my own.I am the >> most unread person in the forum. >> YM >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:37 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Pranam >>> Sanskrit blend is needed for you people who only read west and do not >>> try to know what we have. If you can learn French and German , learning a >>> language is not tough. Also what Carl Sagan had written today is a master >>> photo print of the ancient knowledge ,without which, people go aghast on >>> Carl Sagan, It is not depreciating the west. But without appreciation of >>> our parents , appreciating the neobor I opine as a crime. I write only like >>> that to say that there is nothing we do not have but we stubbornly refuse >>> to learn it but want the land to do a lot for those. If you feel otherwise >>> I am sorry but truth is bitter. People who cannot understand Arabiindo and >>> Dayananda and so many , I WONDER, how they so easily can follow sagan and >>> the rest?. I crave your pardon again but if you follow my thoughts, for >>> every western action I react to, our standards existed at least 10000 years >>> back. Kashmir files last 10 minutes of dialogue. Our texts are not >>> religious dust byr scientific way of life laid on a platter long long ago >>> which others may turn their neck, but not us. KR IRS 16522 >>> >>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 10:00, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>> markandeya101...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, >>>> Thank you very much.Can I request for very simple sentences without the >>>> Sanskrit blend >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:40 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pranam >>>>> The adaptability of cost ,profit, Mathematics are all placed >>>>> in one flow ,aspiring from one angle, based on certain individual >>>>> definitions. >>>>> >>>>> Maths >>>>> >>>>> Upapatti and "Proof" >>>>> >>>>> In the introduction to the section on spherics (Golādhyāya) of his >>>>> treatise Siddhāntaśiromaõi, Bhāskarācārya II explains the central purpose >>>>> behind his exposition of upapattis: >>>>> >>>>> मद्यध्याम् धुसधाम् यदत्र गनिथम् छ योपपतिम्विन >>>>> >>>>> प्रोउदेएम् प्रोउद सभसु नोउति गनको निस्सम्सयो निस्वयम् >>>>> >>>>> गोले सा विमला करामलकवथ् प्रत्यसथो स्रुयते >>>>> >>>>> समध्यम् युपपति बोध्यवितये गोलप्रबन्ध्योथ: >>>>> >>>>> Without the knowledge of upapattis, by merely mastering the >>>>> calculations (gaõita) described here, from the madhyamādhikāra (the first >>>>> chapter of Siddhāntaśiromaõi) onwards, of the [motion of the] heavenly >>>>> bodies, a mathematician will not be respected in the scholarly >>>>> assemblies; >>>>> without the upapattis he himself will not be free of doubt (niÜsa§śaya). >>>>> Since upapatti is clearly perceivable in the (armillary) sphere like a >>>>> berry in the hand, I therefore begin the Golādhyāya (section on spherics) >>>>> to explain the upapattis. >>>>> >>>>> The same is echoed by the Gaõeśa Daivajña in his famous commentary >>>>> Buddhivilāsinī (c.1540) on Bhāskarācārya’s Līlāvatī: >>>>> >>>>> Without upapatti, whatever is stated in vyakta-gaõita (mathematics >>>>> dealing with manifest quantities – arithmetic and geometry) or >>>>> avyakta-gaõita (mathematics dealing with un-manifest quantities – >>>>> algebra), will not be rendered free from confusion (nirbhrānta); nor will >>>>> it have any value in an assembly of mathematicians. Upapatti is indeed >>>>> directly and pleasantly perceivable like a mirror in hand. It is >>>>> therefore, >>>>> as also for the elevation of the intellect, that I proceed to enunciate >>>>> upapattis in entirety. Thus, the notion of upapatti seems to be >>>>> significantly different from the notion of "proof" as understood in the >>>>> Greco-European tradition of mathematics. According to the Indian >>>>> mathematical texts, the purpose of upapatti is mainly: (i) to remove >>>>> confusion and doubts regarding the validity and interpretation of >>>>> mathematical results and procedures; and, (ii) to obtain assent in the >>>>> community of mathematicians. This is very different from the ideal of >>>>> "proof" in the Greco-European tradition which is to irrefutably establish >>>>> the absolute truth of a mathematical proposition. Further, in the >>>>> Indian tradition, mathematical knowledge is not taken to be different in >>>>> any fundamental sense from that in natural sciences. In fact, valid >>>>> means for acquiring and validating mathematical knowledge are the same as >>>>> in other sciences: Pratyakùa (perception), Anumāna (inference), Śabda or >>>>> Agama (authentic text or tradition). >>>>> >>>>> However, there are no instances where Indian mathematicians >>>>> use the method of indirect proof to establish the existence of an entity, >>>>> the existence of which is not demonstrable (even in principle) by other >>>>> (direct) means of verification. In this sense, the Indian >>>>> mathematical tradition may be seen as adopting what is nowadays referred >>>>> to >>>>> as the "constructivist" approach to the issue of mathematical existence. >>>>> It is important to note that this significant feature of Indian >>>>> mathematical tradition is closely related to the world-view of the >>>>> Naiyāyikas or Indian logicians, who do not accord tarka (or the method of >>>>> indirect proof) the status of an independent source of valid knowledge >>>>> (pramāõa). Indeed the general philosophical approach of Indian >>>>> logicians is one of eliminating from logical discourse all reference to >>>>> such aprasiddha or un-instantiated entities, whose existence is not even >>>>> in >>>>> principle accessible to direct means of verification. In fact, the >>>>> Naiyāyikas would even reconcile to live with contradictions rather than >>>>> allow the use of such aprasiddha entities in their logical discourse. >>>>> This is brought out very clearly by Matilal by citing an important passage >>>>> from Ātmatattvaviveka of Udayanācārya (c. 10th century) which deals with >>>>> an >>>>> argument between the Bauddhas and Naiyāyika. HENCE THERE IS NOTHING THAT >>>>> CANNOT BE MEASURED BY THE MATHEMATICS AND NUMBERS; THE COMPUTER LANGUAGE >>>>> CODED IN TERMS OF THE MATHEMATICAL “0” AND “1”, IS NOTHING BUT ORIGIN OF >>>>> siva and shakthi as 1 and 0. Mathematics can express all including the >>>>> negative numbers. Brahmam is one and the negative energy @ MAYA or >>>>> PRAKRITHI OR SHAKTI is shunya. >>>>> >>>>> 2 Cost reduction is the achievement of real and permanent >>>>> reduction in unit cost of products manufactured. It therefore >>>>> continuously >>>>> attempts to achieve genuine savings in cost of production, distribution, >>>>> selling and administration. It does not accept a standard or budget as >>>>> impenetrable or fixed, it rather challenges the standards or budgets >>>>> continuously to make improvements in them. “Cost reduction” is a >>>>> continuous >>>>> process of critical cost examination, analysis and challenge of standards. >>>>> In this each aspect of businesses such as products, process, procedures, >>>>> methods, organization, personnel etc., are critically examined and >>>>> reviewed >>>>> with a view of improving efficiency and effectiveness and reducing the >>>>> costs. Cost reduction begins where cost control ends. Cost control seeks >>>>> to >>>>> bring the actuals in harmony with the predetermined targets. If this >>>>> happens, assuming no increase or decrease in costs, the profit margin >>>>> becomes more or less fixed at a particular level of sales. However, this >>>>> is >>>>> easier said than done. In actual practice, prices may fluctuate. >>>>> Alternatively, sales may decline due to various reasons. In all these >>>>> cases, the business must aim at maximising profits at the same level of >>>>> sales by reducing costs. Cost reduction seeks to achieve a permanent >>>>> reduction in cost, without impairing the quality of the product. It is a >>>>> planned way of improving the efficiency of business operations. >>>>> >>>>> 1 Cost reduction is confined to genuine savings in costs of >>>>> manufacture, administration, distribution and selling. ( has the >>>>> limitation >>>>> subject to many factors external, which would not keep at the byoyancy >>>>> level, at the same standard cost. ). >>>>> >>>>> 2 Reduction in cost to consumer as a result of reduction in taxation >>>>> or Government design or price agreements will not be covered by cost >>>>> reduction. These are not real and permanent reductions in cost due to >>>>> planned efforts. Cost reduction does not include windfall reduction or >>>>> fortuitous reduction. >>>>> >>>>> 3 . Cost reduction assumes that product or service will retain its >>>>> essential characteristics and quality. If reduction in cost results in >>>>> deterioration of quality, it will not be covered by the term Cost >>>>> Reduction. >>>>> >>>>> 4 Cooperation and teamwork are essential features of any planned >>>>> approach to cost reduction. Direct saving of cost is the most tangible >>>>> objective of cost reduction, but it profoundly influences the wide sphere >>>>> of business as a whole. >>>>> HENCE THERE CAN NEVER BE AN UTOPIAN COST REDUCTION AND REDUCING THE >>>>> PROFIT , ACCOMADATE EACH INDIVIDUAL. >>>>> Therefore an utopian theory of conjecture is at the far >>>>> away plane, unnoticeable. Maths would explain all scientifically; when I >>>>> say scientifically , it means , the negative numbers cannot have the >>>>> square >>>>> root and one shall not demand the theory of the impossibility. KR IRS >>>>> 16522 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 06:43, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >>>>> yeddanapu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *The Ruin of the Profit Mania* >>>>>> >>>>>> Cost and Income are the two sides of a coin. When you pay for >>>>>> expenditure, to the payee it is income. If costs are reduced, incomes >>>>>> also >>>>>> get reduced. If every firm becomes the optimum firm, which means that it >>>>>> achieved the lowest cost for a unit of output, there will be no income at >>>>>> all in the economy and it will be the ultimate ruin called the great >>>>>> depression. If every firm makes profit, all together dive into the abyss. >>>>>> >>>>>> A loss making unit is one which is giving more to the society than >>>>>> what it is taking from the society. In fact the profit making firms are >>>>>> existing because; they are maintained by the loss sustaining units. A >>>>>> profit making unit gives less than what it takes and the loss making >>>>>> unit, >>>>>> gives more than what it takes from the society. >>>>>> >>>>>> This vital service, which keeps economies safe or save the economy >>>>>> from death, is being performed by the Public Sector Undertakings in >>>>>> India. >>>>>> If all public sector undertakings are to be gifted to the private >>>>>> merchants, and if they begin cutting costs or reduce the income >>>>>> generation >>>>>> in the society, there will be the ultimate economic depression, the big >>>>>> ruin. >>>>>> >>>>>> An economy of 140 crore people needs the vital avenue where loss >>>>>> generation or the income generation in the society, is maintained. Loss >>>>>> simply means incomes given without the equal return. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a very big minus side to the cost reduction, ruin of nature. >>>>>> A profit making unit, poisons the land, water, air, and kills the flora >>>>>> and >>>>>> fauna, or simply shifts to the society and nature the costs which it has >>>>>> to >>>>>> pay. When nature is murdered so systematically and completely, we also >>>>>> die >>>>>> gradually. All profit making units together ultimately murder nature. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Basmasuras of today, sport big academic qualifications surround >>>>>> themselves with intellectual statements emitting sycophants, posing as >>>>>> the >>>>>> great Dons, leaving no scope for simple sanity. The Dons obfuscate with >>>>>> very complicated but really irrelevant mathematics, but they look >>>>>> technical >>>>>> and superior. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is one undeniable fact. You can explain everything with >>>>>> sentences but you cannot represent everything with mathematics. >>>>>> Mathematics >>>>>> always leaves with incomplete explanations. 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