Hi Tony Here are some personal observations to consider; > > - In TWC I found my self dependant on others releasing new versions, > rather than in TW5 I can use wiki text to solve almost anything. > - I used to go to Erics tiddlytools and the recent tab regularly > > Do you mean that on TW5 you are not using plugins much?
> > - I was starting to find TWC more fragile and had a few disasters. > > I believe this is more or less in the past, but let me know if you have new issues. > > - Perhaps you have improved the saving for TWC but I now use Timimi, > tw-receiver and node server implementations, is TWC as rich in these? > > I'm not familiar with tw-reciever, but yes, Timimi for FF works with TWC, and we have nw.js saver from Okido, node saver from James, MainTiddlySaver in PHP from me and some others. The only thing that somewhat bothers me is the increase of restrictions on Android 10+ where they forbid apps like Server for PHP or Tiddloid (so that donmor had to create Tiddloid Lite which doesn't support TWC yet). I guess, changing TWC core saving engine so that it's closer to TW5 will allow to use Tiddloid Lite but I'm not sure that Android devs won't restrict things further. And also in the future, creating a transparent design (ideally common for TWC and TW5) is vital because without it all that we'll get is more "savers" with "some additional features" instead of an ecosystem of adaptors where each implements the same set of features like saving images on disk, backing up in certain schemes, loading external files etc – hence it's difficult to promise additional features that require more IO for TW as a whole. > > - I now feel I can do almost anything in TW5 when TWC made me > dependant on more than the Google Forums. > > Good for you, I guess (although it's not totally clear what you mean, may be the same as above, no need for plugins). > I appreciate your contributions to TWC and consider them important, but at > some point we need to jump from petrol/Gas to Electric. But we always want > to service our antiques and some people will always remain enthusiasts of > TWC. > Well, gas, electric and antiques are metaphors, one can't discuss much about those in a constructive way. Those who needed to migrate and who can, they have migrated, what can I add? Best regards, Yakov. > Regards > Tony > > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 8:36:56 AM UTC+10, Yakov wrote: >> >> >> Yakov - interesting to read. >>> Can I ask what makes you, personally, stick with TWC instead of >>> switching to TW5? >>> >> >> Well, that's quite simple: first, it's migration that's basically >> impossible (too many extensions, too much content, no tools for gradual >> migration like TW5 with formatter from TWC or mixed formatter and no docs >> to migrate extensions). Let be honest, this first reason is enough, I can't >> estimate others effectively. But also TW5 has design which is not nice for >> desktop, higher learning curve (or at least I have to learn more than I >> expected to just create a simple aggregated list or a simple plugin etc). >> May be there were other reasons, I don't remember. >> >> What is it that you and the TWC community sees that Jeremy did not see >>> when he *evidently *said that TWC is not a good enough system and it >>> needs a complete revamp? >>> >> >> Well, I've tried to figure what are the main architecture differences and >> asked about that 2 or 3 times but never got any detailed answer. TWC >> architecture has some flaws, but don't consider any of them unrepairable. >> The question as you put it doesn't seem to be quite correct. >> >> >>> So no misunderstanding: This is a totally fair question, asked because I >>> really would like to know. I was once a TWC user (I started with TW in >>> 2006/7 so...) and loved it but after having started with TW5 I'm not even >>> considering going back. Yes, there are a few bits that we don't have in TW5 >>> but there is a ton of stuff that we don't have in TWC. >>> >>> <:-) >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/83d033fa-8d33-49f1-beb9-48a48e2e1f8d%40googlegroups.com.
