Hi @Brady77, Thinking about this topic from the beginning, I understood you identified an important wished-for feature for me as well. In the simplest, I see it as what I do in my gmail: limit my search to just emails I sent to someone and conduct search among those (e.g.: "in:sent booking"). In TiddlyWiki, that means combining tags and search or even filters and search. That'd be great.
As for the broader question of data organization, initiated by TonyM's example with various categories and to which I added I was thinking of using sort of workaround for subtags, in the end I decided to keep things simple. I want to stay as close to the core functionality as possible and be able to use the system for years so I am wary of plugins. And I also found some visual hierarchy only among tags to be messy or inelegant at least. So instead of using a lot tags and subtags, say for a tiddler related to dog training, I droped the idea of using tag "dog::training" where double dot would indicate subtag. I just use "dog" and "training". This keeps the amount of tags much more limited. It also makes little more complicated to show all tiddlers related to a given (sub)topic, like dog training. But I am still exploring TW and now found out that I can use lists to supply this need nicely. I just create a headling "Training" inside the tag-tiddler "Dog" and list all tiddlers with both "dog" and "training" tags using a filter. Of course I don't create these lists for all or for most tags as that would be too laborious but that is OK for me: I can do it where I have the need and don't bother with the rest - as the links among tiddlers and search are the main elements of my data organization/retrieval and tags are secondary. Which brings me back to the begining - to be able to combine search and tags would give the retrieval process additional boost. And as for my name, good guess, it's Czech, Google now tells me we are countrymen. TW is basically unknown here, I have some ideas about starting to change that, will keep you posted. On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 10:52:40 AM UTC+2, Brady77 wrote: > > @Miroslav Kalous > Hi Miroslav (your name seems to have roots in Czechia). Thank you for > sharing your workflow, problems and expectations. Please have a look at the > next few lines and let me know how you feel about my proposal. I think it > may help you as well. > > @TonyM > Thank you Tony for your detailed description. We are probably trying to > achieve similar classification. Since both you and me have different needs > we are using different terms. But the logic behind seems to be comparable. > Do I understand you correctly that we can use other tiddler fields (beside > the tags) to create the classification, too? Can I expect the same behavior > from those extra fields as what the tags offer now (by using GenTags)? > Please have a look below, too. > > === > > I'm no coder so bear with me. This is my first mockup attempt ever: no > code behind (just some pictures). I would like to apply for your help to > bring something like this to life. @Jed Carty has something similar /see > his comment above/: > > 1) Few notes to start with > > - I was trying to *reuse *most of the components that already exist. > - From what I know the tags are organized into *tree structure *where > just one parent is allowed. There is a root (/) from where the tree > expands. > - For reference please open the "*Advanced search*" tiddler by > clicking on the "magnifying glass" icon (see right-side panel). > > 2) New search tab called "Facets" > All the features are packed within one new tab called "*Facets*" to keep > itsimple. Most of the functions come from the existing "Filter" tab. On the > right side of the tiddler you can find *Related tags* tree (expandable) - > similar to this one > <https://tiddlywiki.com/#Example%20Table%20of%20Contents%3A%20Expandable>. > After you open the tab for the first time (no user input yet) the tree > lists all the user-defined tags that exists in the Wiki. By clicking on the > right arrow you can *explore the tree* as deep as you wish. > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-udRPKG0U8_4/WtrUNVywrWI/AAAAAAAALMY/nhzK9lx2z0gcIU-rJOC1j79bmP-2vcOeACLcBGAs/s1600/Facets%2B-%2Bslide%2B1.png> > > 2) Narrowing the context by using the tree > *Clicking on the item* within the tree it pushes the *tag into the input > field* on the right. There is a slight difference on the rendering of tag > pills: they show the *full path to the root* (I chose the right slash "/" > as delimiter - more on this later). After the tag has been successfully > added the *filter is automatically applied*: > > - The area below the input field *gets populated with filtered > tiddlers*. Below each output line there is a *list of tags* that are > applied on the tiddler (smaller version of the pills). > - The list consists of tiddlers that were found *on the selected tag > and all child tags* at the same time (a recursive search). There is a > *logical > AND* between the tags in the filter. > - Tags tree on the right shrinks down to show just a portion of its > initial structure: the *tree lists tags* that can be found *only on > filtered tiddlers* (unique items, indeed) > > Please have a look on the second slide: > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-TWHSTGCEDWk/Wtrr6bKypzI/AAAAAAAALMo/q4hszIoH1j0trXToCAD-LXlGmnw6h-g5wCLcBGAs/s1600/Facets%2B-%2Bslide%2B2.png> > Say I want to show all tiddlers tagged with "Software". I go into the tree > and click on the tag "Software". A new pill "/it/software" appears on the > input field. Below I can see filtered tiddlers. The tree on the right > changed the structure to reflect the filter, too. Similarly I added another > tag "/art/ to the filter. > > 3) Changing the context by using input field > The input field allows for direct input, too. This allow for: > > - *Adding *new tag to the list > > After typing first two letters into the input field a *modal *appears. > This modal performs a *full-text search within tags* and shows a *list of > tags* to choose from. I decided for more flexibility here to allow for > any tags (not just those that are relevant to the actual filter applied). > If choosing a "non-relevant" tag from the list you may end with "No > tiddlers found". But it is OK since you can remove or edit the other tags > in the filter easily (see next bullet points) > > > - *Removing *tag from the list > > Each tag pill in the input field has a little *cross symbol* attached > which *removes the tag from the filter*. > > > - *Editing *tag in the list > > You can also *use your keyboard *within the input field (backspace or > delete keys, letters, right/slash symbol) to *directly modify listed tags*. > After the cursor enters certain tag pill it *changes into plain-text* so > you can edit (remove) it freely. While editing a *modal appears* to offer > a list by full-text search (similarly to adding new tag). > > > <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RDCHDJ9VCUk/Wtr2W3hCR7I/AAAAAAAALM4/2EKxNqe1IbwtFtUs_pA32owMUFjq2qx6ACLcBGAs/s1600/Facets%2B-%2Bslide%2B3.png> > > 4) Adding tags from the filtered list of tiddlers > Another way how to add the tag to the filter is by *clicking on tags > listed below each output line*. Since the tree on the right lists only > unique items it may be more natural to use the tree but we may leave this > option open, too. > > Thank you for comments. > > PS: I hope that clicking on the image shows larger version... didn't use > google groups with pictures before. > > Petr > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/80d038c5-9702-44fa-85e1-c15426df8ced%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
