I hate to say this, but thank you. I have often wondered why so many students would be baffled by the decision process. [if p<.05, reject the null hypothesis]. It seems so easy… but, if you are not comfortable with the numbers between 0.00 and 1.00, then it is a real problem.
Compound that with the fact that, in general, test statistic values go up as their associated p-values go down and you have now put them in contrasting information territory. That is, thinking I'm clarifying things with my graphs and sketches of distributions and shading of rejection regions showing how bigger t-values are associated with smaller p-values, it seems likely they get confused by the two ways of making the decision: greater than critical value, or less than alpha… I can see I'll be rethinking some lectures next semester. Paul On Sep 28, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote: Nope -- my TA would put two numbers up on the board, like .05 and .032, and ask them, in words, which is lower – or he would put one number up, like .046, and ask whether it was less than or more than .05. Cheers, <image001.jpg><http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm> From: Beth Benoit [mailto:beth.ben...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 6:11 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Is p < .05 ? Karl, Is it possible they're having trouble with the < vs. the >? I'd be willing to bet that most Americans - no, slash that - most people struggle with what those two signs represent. I know, it "ain't rocket science," but I suspect a lot of people never had that explained to them. Please say that's what it really is. ;-) Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Wuensch, Karl L <wuens...@ecu.edu<mailto:wuens...@ecu.edu>> wrote: I am not the greatest fan of NHST, but do my duty to teach it. For a good while now I have been disturbed that a substantial proportion of my undergraduate students never figure out how to decide whether or not a test is significant. I tried stressing that p is a measure of the goodness of fit between the data and the null, that p is like the strength of evidence in support of the accused null defendant in statistical court, and so on. Nothing seemed to help much. Now one of my teaching assistants has discovered why. Given two numbers, these students are unable to identify which is smaller. No, I am not kidding. Yes, this involves numbers between 0 and 1. My TA spend half an hour trying to teach them how to tell which is the smaller of two numbers, without great success. Karl W. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: beth.ben...@gmail.com<mailto:beth.ben...@gmail.com>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aaf72&n=T&l=tips&o=20768 or send a blank email to leave-20768-13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aa...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-20768-13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aa...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: wuens...@ecu.edu<mailto:wuens...@ecu.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b3534420e&n=T&l=tips&o=20770 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-20770-13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b35344...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-20770-13060.c78b93d4d09ef6235e9d494b35344...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu<mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003&n=T&l=tips&o=20771 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-20771-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-20771-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=20779 or send a blank email to leave-20779-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu