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DAVEH: My latest comments are
in BLUE.......
Judy Taylor wrote:
jt: Biblically whenever angels appeared they spoke
in line with the rest of scriptureand the book of Mormon along with the
other two books are 'another gospel'
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree.
The BoM is that sealed book prophesied by Isaiah. (Is 29:11-18)
jt: Not so DaveH, the sealed book spoken of by
the prophet Isaiah in Is 29:11-18 is the Scripture.
DAVEH: Agreed. The
question is......which Scripture? I believe it applies to the BoM,
which I believe is Scripture too. Now.....when you suggest it is
"Scripture", I assume
you mean that you think it refers to the Bible? How so? Was
the Bible sealed? Who and when was the Bible delivered to a learned
man who said, "I cannot; for it is sealed"? And who was it delivered
to that said he was unlearned?
No prophecy of scripture is interpreted independently it must fit in
with the rest of scripture and there should be two or more clear witnesses
in the rest of the Bible. Isaiah here is speaking of Israel's restoration
in the Messianic Age and there are many corresponding scriptures Isa 35:3-6
is one.
DAVEH: Do you have specific
answers to my above questions, Judy?
I've read that JS was upset
DAVEH: I don't remember that.
I think the word he used was "confused".
with what he saw in the churches and can understand this sentiment
but he was deceived by the angel
DAVEH: The angel you speak
of is Jesus Christ himself.
and the Jesus of the LDS is 'another Jesus'
DAVEH: I respectfully disagree.
He is the same Jesus who died on the cross for us.DAVEH:
I'm not sure why you think such, though you are right......I've heard it
many times on TT. jt:
Probably because as the scriptures say "His sheep recognize Hisvoice and
another voice they do not follow"
DAVEH: Reference, please?
The Jesus of Mormonism is
'another voice'
DAVEH: Once again, I respectfully
disagree.
DAVEH: FTR......My Jesus
died for me that I will live again. That is one very important part
of salvation.....to overcome physical death. He also atoned for my
sins IF I availeth myself to him and endure to the end.......THEN I will
"achieve" full salvation. Now understand this, Judy. That I
have to take some steps by myself to reach that point where I can return
to heaven, it is something I canNOT do myself alone. It is only by
virtue of our Lord's grace that I have the opportunity to reach the full
potential for which God has foreordained me to obtain. I hope that
helps you understand my belief a bit better. (And, I hope I haven't
confused you with my explanation!) jt: This sounds a lot
like the real but when you add the ascending toward godhood
DAVEH: That too is Biblical......
"I have said, Ye are gods; and all
of you are children of the most High." PS 82:6
.........Some on this Forum have
denied that "gods" has a divine meaning. However, if you consider
the Lord's reply (Jn 10:34) to those who were trying to trap him into a
relationship with God, Jesus answered them.....
".....Is it not written in your
law, I said, Ye are gods?"
........From this, it is quite obvious
that "gods" in both instances has divine properties.
When you consider the overall message
of the Bible, Judy, it only makes logical sense. We were created
in the image of God (plural). He is known to us by his parental name,
"Father". He has given us the tools to become like him.....the commandments.
He has give us a commandment to do so. (Mt 5:48)
Furthermore, he has told us that we shall be like him. (1Jn 3:2)
Now, why would you not think you have the potential to become like God?
Let me provide a presumed answer for you.....because you are a sinner and
God is perfect. Is that correct, Judy? Then let me answer that
our Beloved Brother, Jesus, has provided a way that we can do so......by
his grace, specifically by virtue of his resurrection and atoning sacrifice.
and whole temple ritual thing that is from what I've heard taken from
Masonic ritual and this is the old mystery religious stuff, the regenerative
principle - it dresses itself differently outwardly but is basically the
same as the high places in Israel when they were in apostasy and also what
TPW is into. Judy
DAVEH: From the few things you've
said so far, I think you have a lot of misunderstandings about what I believe,
Judy. I'm not trying to convert you to Mormonism. Nor
am I quoting Latter-day Scripture to you. What I've done above is
point out the Bible supports one of my beliefs that you find unacceptable.
If you disagree (and I'm pretty sure you do), I'd sure like to know why
you think my analysis is wrong. To me (from my LDS biased perspective),
it all makes logical sense. I don't understand why Protestants find
it so hard to accept the basic message of the Bible as I've tried to explain
above.
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