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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:01
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] The Passion of the
Christ
Judy wrote > Just contributing something
different for consideration....
since you may be
reacting to the "faith" movement where ppl are taught
to have faith in their faith Mr. Bill.
I don't believe from what I've read from
Terry that he is one of these.
Terry?????
wt: I say > It's fine to contribute, Judy, do
that to your hearts content --
but I'll put words in my own mouth, thank
you very much.
jt: Goodness, we are touchy today - not the
qualifier above. I was not
putting anything in your mouth Sir.
wt: No, I was not thinking of the "faith"
movement here. If you'll look at
what I did say, you'll see it is quite the
opposite of that. Indeed, I said
what I wanted to say, and that was that maybe
there is a way of looking
at salvation such that it lets
Jesus Christ be the object of it all.
jt: Of course he's the object of it all since
there is no salvation outside
of Him; what would make you think Terry was
alluding to something else?
wt:This is hardly faith in faith. Where did you
come up with something
like that? Did you even read what I said before
starting in on me? I
thought we had gotten beyond that
stuff.
jt: Just trying to be helpful....and yes I did
read what you wrote.
wt: Since you included Martin Luther in one of
your other posts,
I'll do the same here. Luther said that "faith"
is like eyes. Eyes do not
create what they see; they
see what is already created.
jt: And faith is the substance of things hoped
for, the evidence of things
that are not seen...
wt: Faith does not
create salvation; it sees the salvation already
created in Christ Jesus.
jt: Can you describe this?
judyt
God allows the devil to raise up heretics
to make his people
study
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:26 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] The Passion of the
Christ
> From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Terry wrote, "We are not saved by being inerrant. We are saved
by
> faith."
>
> I say, at the risk of alienating myself
from the friends I have, I would
> like weigh in on this one. Maybe it
is not our faith that saves us - but
> Christ in whom we have faith.
>
> jt: If we have the right kind of faith then it is the faith
of Christ,
> after all it is He
> who is both author and finisher
of same.
>
> wt: It was the object of our faith who lived, died,
rose again, and
> ascended to
> sit next to his Father. We are in
him now, as he mediates and sanctifies
> our
> poofahs.
>
> jt: Without faith it is impossible to please the Father who calls
an
> unbelieving
> heart evil... How can we be sure we are "In
Him?"
>
> wt: So wonderful is it to know that we are saved by
him! I fear that when
>
> the emphasis shifts from Christ to the
Jesus-and-me of modern
> Christianity,
> then what becomes
finally important is 'my faith,' 'my decision,' 'my
> conversion,'
> and not really Christ himself.
>
> jt: Is it totally out
of the ballpark to take responsibility for oneself?
>
> bt:
Please don't take any of this the wrong way. I know that I am bucking
>
against the goads here. If I'm all wet, then shake me off or toss me
>
towel.
>
> jt: Just contributing something different for
consideration.... since you
> may be reacting to the "faith" movement
where ppl are taught to have
> faith in their faith Mr. Bill. I
don't believe from what I've read from
> Terry that he is one of
these. Terry?????
>
> judyt
>
> God allows the
devil to raise up heretics
> to make his people study
>
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