RE: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau?

[ShieldsFamily]

Okay Lance. The more you obey (subject yourself to) what you already understand, the more God allows you to understand even more. So if you cannot understand a simple phrase like "God hated Esau" because of the hardness of your heart, you will surely not understand much else. Thus all your rationalizations as to why no one can really understand scripture. The more you insist on disbelieving what He has plainly written for you, the more understanding He will take away from you. Pretty soon you will be so confused you will be writing a new theology of your own, like all the other confused men seem want to do. Izzy   Matt 13:12 "For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him."   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau?   Might you consider saying what you wrote in response to me in a couple of different ways so as to make your meaning  plain. I truly do not understand it. It may indeed be the case that everyone on TT does..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 07, 2004 09:08 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau?     > More reasons we should not just accept what scripture plainly says per > Lance's rationalizations. Izzy >  > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau? >  > Were we to apprehend 'the heart of God' through all of the Scriptures on all > matters, God would still be more than our 'apprehension'. Why? God is God > and we're  us. >  > As to 'contradictions': they may well exist within (1) the Scriptures > themselves(possible) (2) our 'readings' of them(certain).Logic, formally > understood, cannot always be used as an arbiter of apparent contradictions. > (John 3 'VS' Romans 9). Provisionally, I believe that John 3:16  more > closely reflects the 'heart of God' than the 'reading' of Romans 9. As > Beretta used to say: 'dats da name of dat tune'' > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau? >  >  > > Izzy replies: I have replaced the original posts for clarity. Yes, there > is SOMETHING to give rise to my question, John.  God said He hated Esau > forever.  You used John 3:16 to say that God loves Esau.  So you have used > Jn3:16 to cancel out the meaning of a previous scripture that you don't > like. All the word studies in the world will not make the original word for > "hated" mean "loved".  But you seem to doggedly stick to that opinion > because you would rather make scripture conform to your theology than make > your theology conform to scripture. I see not other possible explanation. So > you can either discuss it reasonable or resort to anger. Which would you > prefer? > > > > > > > > JOHN REPLIES.   A WORD STUDY JUST MIGHT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.   BY THE AY  - > HOW DO YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM.   SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF > RECONCILING THE TWO PASSAGES.   LOOKS LIKE ROMANS 9:13 IS IN AND JOHN 3:16 > IS OUT. > > > > > > jOHN > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >  >  > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org >  > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. >  >  >  > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org >  > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.     ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.