Okay Lance. The more you obey (subject
yourself to) what you already understand, the more God allows you to understand
even more. So if you cannot understand a simple phrase like "God hated
Esau" because of the hardness of your heart, you will surely not
understand much else. Thus all your rationalizations as to why no one can
really understand scripture. The more you insist on disbelieving what He has plainly
written for you, the more understanding He will take away from you. Pretty soon
you will be so confused you will be writing a new theology of your own, like
all the other confused men seem want to do. Izzy Matt 13:12 "For whoever has, to
him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have,
even what he has shall be taken away from him." -----Original Message----- Might you consider saying what you wrote in response to me in a couple
of different ways so as to make your meaning plain. I truly do not
understand it. It may indeed be the case that everyone on TT does..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" < To: < Sent: November 07, 2004 09:08 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau? > More reasons we should not just accept what scripture plainly says
per > Lance's rationalizations. Izzy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:48 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau? > > Were we to apprehend 'the heart of God' through all of the
Scriptures on all > matters, God would still be more than our 'apprehension'. Why? God
is God > and we're us. > > As to 'contradictions': they may well exist within (1) the
Scriptures > themselves(possible) (2) our 'readings' of them(certain).Logic, formally > understood, cannot always be used as an arbiter of apparent contradictions. > (John 3 'VS' Romans 9). Provisionally, I believe that John
3:16 more > closely reflects the 'heart of God' than the 'reading' of Romans
9. As > Beretta used to say: 'dats da name of dat tune'' > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Did God hate or love Esau? > > > > Izzy replies: I have replaced the original posts for clarity.
Yes, there > is SOMETHING to give rise to my question, John. God said He
hated Esau > forever. You used John 3:16 to say that God loves
Esau. So you have used > Jn3:16 to cancel out the meaning of a previous scripture that you
don't > like. All the word studies in the world will not make the original
word for > "hated" mean "loved". But you seem to
doggedly stick to that opinion > because you would rather make scripture conform to your theology
than make > your theology conform to scripture. I see not other possible
explanation. So > you can either discuss it reasonable or resort to anger. Which
would you > prefer? > > > > > > > > JOHN REPLIES. A WORD STUDY JUST MIGHT SOLVE THE
PROBLEM. BY THE AY - > HOW DO YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU
HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF > RECONCILING THE TWO PASSAGES. LOOKS LIKE ROMANS 9:13
IS IN AND JOHN 3:16 > IS OUT. > > > > > > jOHN > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with
salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians
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