Wally, Two issues with this...
* Firstly, where are they held and what costs are involved * Secondly, while Microsoft do offer courses for training which do cost money and held in our part of the world....., there is also a vast library of information on the internet which people can go through and educate themselves. This is freely available and easy to get access to...unlike the U2 Knowledge base which is harder to get at than plans for a nuclear weapon. This availability and ease is probably one reason why Microsoft continually are making in roads into the database arena. Phil -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wally Terhune Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2007 2:31 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance Enroll for one of the U2 University events? The detailed agenda is posted on the web site, now. Cheers |-------------------------------+--------------------------------------- --| |Wally Terhune |Register today for the premier U2 | |U2 Support Architect |technical event! | | | | |4700 South Syracuse Street | | |Denver, CO 80237 | | |Tel: (303) 773-7969 T/L | | |656-7969 | | |Mobile: (303) 807-6222 | | |Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |http://www.ibm.com/software/dat| | |a/u2 | | |-------------------------------+--------------------------------------- --| "phil walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] z> To Sent by: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc stserver.u2ug.org Subject RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 07/17/2007 05:56 2005 performance PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] er.u2ug.org Leroy, I know IBM are implementing much of these new technologies with regard to U2. The problem that I see is that it may be there, but a lot of the people in the list cannot find information on how to use it either because this information * does not exist * exists but in very basic examples which do not show a 'real' business solution, e.g. order processing or something similar * exists but they do not have access to it .e.g. IBM Knowledgebase... Those are the issues as I see it. How to tie up the Webservices,Soap,XML schemas etc, triggers, and existing BASIC subroutines. And what is good and bad practice. Cheers, Phil. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LeRoy Dreyfuss Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2007 11:45 a.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance These are interesting comments considering all the tools available with IBM U2 and the many things they have in the hopper. Regards, LeRoy -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:49 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance This is one of the reasons that Cache is able to drum up some business from shops that are using Universe, UniData, etc... Cache is very forward thinking, and now with their mvbasic support, a viable option for those of us using MV databases and want to use newer technologies to integrate with the database. Cache's native web service support is very cool, not to mention the .Net and java integration. This is the direction IBM needs to be heading in with U2 if they want to stay a viable option. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of phil walker Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance Nick, Here, here to your following statements.... To me, this is part of the problem that we have in the MV world. We look at how things are being done elsewhere and say, "Pick does it better, we aren't going to do that." The problem with this approach is that everyone else is adopting these standards and using them. We are going to be left further behind if we don't start using some of the technologies available to us. ..... And this is where this list breaks down in that a lot of the new features IBM are building into the product are not used/discussed and the documentation is VERY, VERY sparse. So people like myself and a few others are left to trial and error techniques to implement these new technologies because we HAVE to talk to the outside world and people expect some sort of standard method to do this. Because of this approach we take a lot longer to do something which I am sure is reasonably easy if one was to have good quality examples available like most other dbms/development environments have on the web.... Phil (my 2c) Nick Cipollina -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance I do understand the advantages to that approach, Nick. But that was also the thinking of those who prepared the current industry benchmarks by locking in on SQL. My concern was that if you specify technologies, you can make it difficult for solutions that are outside the box. --dawn On 7/16/07, Nick Cipollina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the consumer of this data is going to be external, then I would > definitely use web services. Using a standard format (SOAP) will make > it possible for anyone to consume the data. > > Thanks, > > Nick Cipollina > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 4:58 PM > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] UniData 7.1 vs. MS SQL 2005 performance > > Yes, agreed. I think if you start with user requirements for services, > then have folks design for those requirements according to each > environment, that would be a good start. I hesitate to say that it > must be "web services" only because that might imply use of SOAP or an > XML exchange that could prejudice the implementation, but otherwise > defining the requirements as services makes a lot of sense. Each > service implementation in different environments can then be judged > and compared by a variety of measures. <snip> ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. 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