RUP, and others are also iterative and iterative is very important - especially if we are talking multi million dollar projects. Also important for such deals is definition of scope at the very start, 10% scope creep comes in at around a million dollars - i haven't got that in my back pocket... Agile does allow such definition but it is harder as teams often think it means they can just forget about a certain aspect till the time comes and this is not what it is all about
As with anything you can have the best widget in the world, but if you do not use it properly it is flawed. -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: 14 October 2009 23:05 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample Program Agile and Scrum (basically agile 30 days sprint cycles) doesn't mean the system does not get documented. It just means a more iterative process with decisions being made later in the cycle. "Welcoming the change request" does not mean that the change doesn't get documented. It means the documents change with the times. If maintained properly, the docs should be more likely to be correct. For many of us, we have external forces such as accrediting agencies that require us to maintain such documentation. BTW, if you haven't seen it before there's a product called OnTime from http://www.axosoft.com/ that works well in an agile shop. Check out the Scrum in 10 minutes video ... Robert Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. >>> "Susan Lynch" <sly...@fwdco.com> 10/14/2009 4:34 PM >>> Brenda, I did check it out, and it is interesting, but I still wonder if 3 years later, when the business requirements change, if anyone from the original team will a) be there, and b) remember all the intricacies of the design decisions made, and c) be part of the new team to modify the original stuff. Of course, the 'agile' concept does have a 'design' phase, which to me would mean developing the spec from the user's requests, which I write and save so that 3 years later, when I get called back and asked how to change something, I can hit the ground running rather than reading all the code again. I look forward to hearing back from you in a few years on how well this works in the real world! Susan Lynch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Price" <bren...@marketamerica.com> To: "U2 Users List" <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: 10/14/2009 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample Program > Well, when our company gets this fully implemented. You can count over > 250 Highlander's Immortals on the list! > > Seriously, check out "agile" and "scrum", it is interesting. > > Brenda L Price > UniVerse Programmer > Rapid Response Team > Market America, Inc. > Greensboro, NC > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- >> boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Susan Lynch >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:26 PM >> To: U2 Users List >> Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample Program >> >> Ah, it must be lovely to know that you will live forever and will > never >> become ill or incapable of working... Eventually, if the company does >> not >> go out of business, or their business needs change so much that all >> your >> code is obsolete, somebody else will have to figure out how the system >> works. >> >> A good spec turns into good documentation, which (properly maintained >> through all the ensuing changes to the system for the changing needs > of >> the >> users, of course) is a blessing to the person who follows you. >> >> Sounds like we have at least 2 of Highlander's Immortals on the list! >> ;-) >> >> Susan Lynch >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brutzman, Bill" <bi...@hkmetalcraft.com> >> To: "U2 Users List" <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> >> Sent: 10/14/2009 3:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [U2] Unibasic: Sample Program >> >> >> > >> > John's world is similar to my world here. When I realized that I >> would >> > be the only person reading the specs, I stopped writing to myself. >> At >> > the risk of no longer being a professional dinosaur, I learned that >> some >> > people call it "agile". >> > >> > Check out... Eckhart Tolle's book "The Power of Now". >> > >> > --B >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > U2-Users mailing list >> > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> U2-Users mailing list >> U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org >> http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _______________________________________________ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
