I've spoken to a a bunch of people through email last week & this week, including a few people who contacted me off-list regarding a response I made RE: ACC. Most of them are so tired of banging their heads again the wall thy can't even be bothered voicing things anymore, they're just over it. A few of them were also intent on unsubscribing, which they have obviously now done. - So don't blame that on Andrew, they've left precisely _because_ of the lack of response, at lest the 4 I spoke to. They left because of the current structure.
I could go on, but there's just no point anymore. I strongly hope hope some of Mellisa's hopelessly attached fanboys wake up and smell the coffee one day. As long as these people have any kind of control, without our votes, it's pointless calling it a community. There's nothing commune about a person + fanboys brick-walling people at every opportunity. I wash my hands of this list, and I know there's more following suit. Ciao. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Melissa Draper <meli...@meldraweb.com>wrote: > On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:18 +1000, Cary Bielenberg wrote: > > This will be my last response as per your wishes Jared, I am saddened > > that you and Melissa stifle change, you misquote the code of conduct > > to server your own needs. I guess it will be good to trot it out to > > stop folks challenging your authority. > > Cary, I've refrained from responding to much of the repetitions here. I > expressed my view of the triple-tier council back when it was first > brought up, and in private emails with Andrew. I've refrained from > commenting during these list discussions to allow you all to discuss it > to your heart's content because if I had responded, it'd have been with > the same stance I expressed prior: the plan is defective by design. > > This has gone on for weeks now and you've not listened to any of the > not-jared-or-me people who disagree with you at all, and nor has the > discussion ceased. I've been refraining from emailing our reapproval > application to the LoCo Council (as this involves CCing this list in) > *purely* because of it. I've refrained because I really don't think the > LoCo Council deserves to have their thread hijacked by it, and would > likely cost us our approval status and make things quite hard for all of > us. > > I will be sending the email later tonight regardless, as some weeks ago > I renegotiated the deadline back to the 20th, and today is the 18th. > > > Lots of luck in your dictatorship & whoa behold anyone who challenges > > your authority. I guess I will be kicked off the list for this but I > > believe it had to be said. > > > > Cary > > > > > > Jared Norris <jrnor...@gmail.com> wrote .. > > > > > Good evening Andrew and the Ubuntu-AU list, > > > > > > Firstly I would like to say that I agree the Ubuntu-AU team could > > > use a lot more people willing to help out as much as you have in the > > > Brisbane area. I do however have some reservations about your > > > ongoing tirade of emails about the ACC. > > > > > > I would again like to point out to all members the Ubuntu Code of > > > Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct With this in mind > > > I would like to draw attention specifically to the section: > > > > > > “Please avoid flamewars, trolling, personal attacks, and repetitive > > > arguments. On technical matters, the Technical Review Board can make > > > a final decision. On matters of community governance, the Community > > > Council can make a final decision. “ > > > > > > I have sat down tonight and seen yet again another post by yourself > > > on the subject so it made me think about it some more. I have drawn > > > up a table and worked out that of the 5 or 6 separate discussions on > > > this topic it boils down to 6 people who are for your ACC, 8 people > > > who are against your ACC and 6 people that were either neutral to > > > your proposal or off topic with other issues. I would then like to > > > point out that the 6 people that were FOR your proposed ACC have > > > contributed 40 emails to the list on the topic. The people who were > > > AGAINST your proposed ACC have contributed 10 emails in total. The > > > people that were NEUTRAL/OFF TOPIC to your proposed ACC have sent in > > > 14 emails. This is a total of 64 contributions from 20 different > > > people. > > > > > > Please do not mistake a large number of emails to the list as a > > > large groundswell of support, you personally have contributed 11 > > > emails to this tally. > > > > > > As far as I can work out unless a lot more people come forward to > > > support your idea it doesn't seem to be gaining much traction when > > > you realise there is 337 people on this list > > > (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Re-Approval). If you add to > > > that the fact that as a list administrator I have seen 12 people > > > unsubscribe since the topic started less than a week ago you will > > > understand this current email. > > > > > > Unless there is a large number of people coming forward in the near > > > future I don't think it's realistic to completely change how things > > > are run when the way things are as we speak do not prevent anyone > > > from organising activities beyond the scope of the aforementioned > > > Code of Conduct. > > > > > > Keep up with the good work with regards to promoting Ubuntu within > > > Brisbane but I think it's time to draw to a close the ongoing > > > campaign of the ACC. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jared Norris > > > > > -- > Melissa Draper > > w: http://meldraweb.com & http://geekosophical.net > p: +61 4 0472 2736 > > > -- > ubuntu-au mailing list > ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au >
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