-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:56:02 -0500 "John Vilsack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The different extremes being voiced seem to be, "Ubuntu Community > Marketing will fail without leadership as it has before" and > "Leadership in FLOSS will kill individual initiative". Why can't we > think in terms of grey versus black or white? I disagree here, John. The difference here is "do it now" ot "let it happen on its own/" > > Yes, leadership naturally separates itself from the pack to assume > roles of responsibility and with that comes the personal feeling of > success or accomplishment. But how many open source projects fork at > the first lack of consensus? If open source directives are truly > free, then you are always going to have opinions that disagree > regardless of how loud they might be. Leadership rose, like cream, to the top at the meeting - the people that showed up - but then "do it later" set in. > > Ubuntu allows for anyone to contribute and that holds true for us as > well as it does for every other aspect of the project. Like the > core-developers team, a proposed core-marketing team would help > determine our priorities, oversee tools and repositories to ensure > that new contributions are added regularly to our "distribution" and > be there to report back to the group instead of expecting everyone to > listen to a cacophony of minutiae concerning each task. I agree and it should have happened at the meeting - the core marketing team was there. See above comment. > > I still firmly believe that each change in direction, each major > undertaking should seek consensus from the group. Each new person > joining our team should always have the freedom to do as much (or as > little) as they want in whatever areas that they want. All leaders > should be responsible for making the things that we need the most > help with more visible to those new users, so they can come in and > make an immediate impact because they have direction and know what > needs to be done. As I have said earlier, consensus is a nice idea. but sometimes, and the meeting was one, you have to take the bull by the horns. We didn't and I fear we will pay for that omission before all is said and done. > > PS: I think it would be remiss for us to begin listing off C.V.s and > historic accomplishments as a means to justify our opinions. Some of > the smartest people I have met in my life, and some of the ones who > have made grand contributions throughout history have done so by > taking their first steps. We should judge based on initiative and > talent, not bullet points. If it is done for self-aggrandizement, I agree. But in the context of what Onno and I were discussing - the fact that our different backgrounds make for different perceptional frameworks, I think it was not only appropriate, but necessary. - -- Peace! John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFITW8ysTN+hz1Fu7URAillAJ932vFQKWQGq6dPZqlGgnhG/lRdogCgp/tz bl6xkLJlfIBGtWSHnLPuCOo= =Ut0M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
