There are more examples if we start a long discussion. Although the following content is somehow off-topic, but for a common user the best choice is not asking for solving the problem, but simply adding a PPA from ubuntu-tweak. ubuntu-tweak introduces some useful PPAs that many users may have searching for them for a long time.
For example the ibus series in Ubuntu is OLD, and I filed some sync and merge request about including the newer versions from Debian. But in fact nobody works on the ibus package's merge, and users are getting software that supported by Ubuntu Development team but which are almost dropped by upstream. There are many users in CJK communities using ibus-dev/shawn-p-huang 's PPAs, the first one is maintained by the package maintainer in Debian, the second by the ibus author. Only in this way users can get a better input experience, and I am frustrating about having 1.2.0.20091215-1ubuntu4 in Lucid/Maverick when 1.3.7-1 has already sit in Debian Sid. This single package blocks quite some other packages, like ibus-pinyin to be updated in Ubuntu. From a user's point of view, 1.3.x has a really big improvement that worth to use an "untrusted" PPA when the trusted maintainer team don't supply updates for quite quite long cycles. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 23:38, LI Daobing <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 23:02, Stephan Hermann <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 22:50 +0800, LI Daobing wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 22:39, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > On Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:21:41 am LI Daobing wrote: >>> >> it's somehow different, for example, the amule ppa shipped with >>> >> ubuntu-tweak has DLP function, which is important for us. >>> > >>> > Can this be added to the amule package in Ubuntu? >>> >>> I don't know why this patch does not exist in amule package in Ubuntu, >>> maybe it makes amule more unstable? but for someone (like me), DLP is >>> important, without DLP, amule totally does not work (it will only >>> upload, but never download). I can bare the crash problem with it, so >>> I choose DLP. but maybe some other think the patch is not perfect, or >>> just he don't like the patch, so he refuse it. >> >> So, if this is really a "showstopper" for amule, why doesn't someone fix >> the patch to let it not crash, then add it to a wishlist bug and ask for >> adding? > > this is just an example, many program provide many compile options and > many patches, and ubuntu only provided one combination for it. > > another example for me, when emacs want to display a char, first he > should detect the charset of this char. but in this program, japanese > is always preferred than chinese. And japanese and chinese share many > symbols in unicode, but with much different glyph[1]. so when I open a > txt file in chinese, some char is displayed in japanese fonts with > "wrong" glyph, some others in chinese fonts. I write a patch for this > problem, which make chinese is preferred than japanese. this patch > works fine for me and other emacs users in chinese, but it will not > (and should not) be accepted in Ubuntu. > > [1] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification#Examples_of_language_dependent_characters > > The previous is just another example. there is not only one user base > in Ubuntu. there are some many user base in Ubuntu. they have > different requirement. PPA can resolve this problem. that's why PPA in > launchpad is used by more and more people. > > for the problem of amule, I don't follow this bug, but I think you can > check it at http://goo.gl/WxGo. > > > >> >> >>> >>> > >>> >> it also provide some snapshot version program (just like gcc-snapshot >>> >> which already in ubuntu). >>> > >>> > No. gcc-snapshot is IN Ubuntu. These PPAs are not. >>> >>> I mean someone need snapshot version of these programs (such as >>> snapshot version of vlc, opera, chromium, etc), just like the ubuntu >>> people need the snapshot version of gcc. >> >> I don't think that many people of Ubuntu use gcc-snapshot on a daily >> basis. >> >> More likely is that the standard ubuntu user doesn't even care about >> gcc-snapshot, as many of our userbase are not caring about "newer" >> versions of packages. > > we have many different userbases. > >> >> If they care, they could enable the backports repository and/or ask for >> backports of current developement release packages (e.g. from maverick >> to lucid). >> >> Users who are reading "marketing statements like" "install this, you >> will get newer versions and blablabla", will exactly do that, and they >> will whine when they try to upgrade from there release to the next. >> >> We had that in the past, and this will happen with unreflected usage of >> tools like this. (Please read the threads about Automatix and Friends in >> the past...google have references) >> > > Aron Xu has talked many about this. > > thanks. > > > > -- > Best Regards > LI Daobing > > -- > Ubuntu-motu mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu > -- Regards, Aron Xu -- Ubuntu-motu mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
