I hear you loud and clear!.Could we then start addressing the real issues other than misreading what the other may have meant or not meant to say?. Thanks. Kipenji. ===================================================== --- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if you understood, you didn't seem to > differentiate between what the > Kabaka said and what others said. I was specifically > addressing Kabaka's > statements when I said there were no contradictions, > remember ? > > But before we continue talking past each other, let > me stress that I, for > one, don't view the restoration of the monarchy as a > favour. It is a right > of the people of Buganda to have their monarchy and, > lest you forget, they > also spilt their blood for it. > > Kasangwawo > > > >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says Kabaka > Mutebi-Monitor > >25/11/2002 > >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:33:43 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Thanks for your apologist attitudes and posturing > as > >if to say I never understood that the lady you now > >want > >to disenfranchise from Buganda said it.If all these > >types of statements are considered in their > totality > >the fact still remains that restoration or giving > of > >the monarch should not be seen as a favour for > which a > >people whose livelihood and hence culture revolve > >around should forever be grateful.We have to reach > a > >stage when we have to differentiate rights from > >previledges in order to be able not to cheerlead > >dictators calling them benovalent.That would indeed > be > >an oxymoron. > >That is what I wanted to pass and I still stand by > it. > >Thanks. > >Emirembe gibe nawe. > >Kipenji. > >============================================================================================================== > >--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Kipenji, > > > > > > it is necessary to understand the language of > > > Ugandans. When they say that > > > Mu7 gave us the monarchy, what they actually > mean is > > > that it was restored > > > under his government (although I'm sure he had a > > > hand in the decision and > > > through negotiations). It is similar to when > they > > > say that Obote killed us. > > > This doesn't mean the man himself actually took > the > > > gun and shot people. > > > That said, I'd hate to think that you are > > > attributing the statement, which > > > you found demeaning, to the Kabaka. He never > said > > > it. And before I hear > > > shouts from all sorts of corners, let me stress > that > > > the lady MP who said it > > > is not even an ethnic Muganda. But she has a > right > > > to her opinions. > > > > > > Kasangwawo > > > > > > > > > >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says > Kabaka > > > Mutebi-Monitor > > > >25/11/2002 > > > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:56:07 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > > > >I want to believe there is no contradictions in > > > these > > > >statements.That granted what I find demeaning > is > > > the > > > >statement that Mu7 gave us the monarchy and > since > > > we > > > >are not sure whether his successor will be pro > > > >monarchism we have to start or should we > continue > > > >negotiating for it?.I have all along thought > and > > > known > > > >that the Monarch was there even before the > colonial > > > >times and to read this type of statements is to > say > > > >the least very mind boggling.What Mu7 has done > is > > > >actually to undermine the Monarchy so that it > > > becomes > > > >subservient to him and hence this type of > > > statements. > > > >B4 1966 everybody who cares to know, knows what > the > > > >monarchy was about and if that is what we want > > > under > > > >the aegesis of Federalism then we can hide > under > > > these > > > >nefarious statements. > > > >Thank you. > > > >Kipenji. > > > > > > >==============================================================--- > > > >jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I > > > >don't see any contradiction between what the > > > > > Kabaka said previously and > > > > > what is reported in the article below. All > he is > > > > > stressing is that federo > > > > > needs to be negotiated (and not achieved by > > > other > > > > > means). This in no way > > > > > negates the statement that federo is around > the > > > > > corner. > > > > > > > > > > Kasangwawo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Subject: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says > Kabaka > > > > > Mutebi-Monitor 25/11/2002 > > > > > >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:25:32 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >Can some body help me here, didn't he just > say > > > that > > > > > federal is around the > > > > > >comer? What is he smoking these days? > > > > > >Em > > > > > > The Mulindwas communication group > > > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in > anarchy" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Omar Kezimbira > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:24 AM > > > > > > Subject: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says > > > Kabaka > > > > > Mutebi-Monitor 25/11/2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go slow on federo says kabaka Mutebi > > > > > > By Wandera w'Ouma > > > > > > Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi has advised > > > Baganda > > > > > who are pro-federo to > > > > > >negotiate their case. > > > > > > He said federo (or federalism) could > only be > > > > > granted when parties > > > > > >negotiate rather than exert pressure on the > > > central > > > > > government. > > > > > > The Kabaka gave the advice while > launching > > > the > > > > > Kayunga District > > > > > >Investment Committee headed by area LC-V > > > Chairman > > > > > Stephen Dagada and > > > > > >UTODA's Hajji Moses Katongole on Friday. > > > > > > "Yes, those who want federo should not > > > > > pressurise government while > > > > > >asking for it," said Arthur Bagunwa, > Buganda's > === message truncated ===
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