Kipenji, what issues do you have exactly in mind ?
Kasangwawo
From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says Kabaka Mutebi-Monitor 25/11/2002
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:15:03 +0000 (GMT)
I hear you loud and clear!.Could we then start
addressing the real issues other than misreading what
the other may have meant or not meant to say?.
Thanks.
Kipenji.
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--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Well, if you understood, you didn't seem to
> differentiate between what the
> Kabaka said and what others said. I was specifically
> addressing Kabaka's
> statements when I said there were no contradictions,
> remember ?
>
> But before we continue talking past each other, let
> me stress that I, for
> one, don't view the restoration of the monarchy as a
> favour. It is a right
> of the people of Buganda to have their monarchy and,
> lest you forget, they
> also spilt their blood for it.
>
> Kasangwawo
>
>
> >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says Kabaka
> Mutebi-Monitor
> >25/11/2002
> >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:33:43 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >Thanks for your apologist attitudes and posturing
> as
> >if to say I never understood that the lady you now
> >want
> >to disenfranchise from Buganda said it.If all these
> >types of statements are considered in their
> totality
> >the fact still remains that restoration or giving
> of
> >the monarch should not be seen as a favour for
> which a
> >people whose livelihood and hence culture revolve
> >around should forever be grateful.We have to reach
> a
> >stage when we have to differentiate rights from
> >previledges in order to be able not to cheerlead
> >dictators calling them benovalent.That would indeed
> be
> >an oxymoron.
> >That is what I wanted to pass and I still stand by
> it.
> >Thanks.
> >Emirembe gibe nawe.
> >Kipenji.
>
>==============================================================================================================
> >--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Kipenji,
> > >
> > > it is necessary to understand the language of
> > > Ugandans. When they say that
> > > Mu7 gave us the monarchy, what they actually
> mean is
> > > that it was restored
> > > under his government (although I'm sure he had a
> > > hand in the decision and
> > > through negotiations). It is similar to when
> they
> > > say that Obote killed us.
> > > This doesn't mean the man himself actually took
> the
> > > gun and shot people.
> > > That said, I'd hate to think that you are
> > > attributing the statement, which
> > > you found demeaning, to the Kabaka. He never
> said
> > > it. And before I hear
> > > shouts from all sorts of corners, let me stress
> that
> > > the lady MP who said it
> > > is not even an ethnic Muganda. But she has a
> right
> > > to her opinions.
> > >
> > > Kasangwawo
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says
> Kabaka
> > > Mutebi-Monitor
> > > >25/11/2002
> > > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:56:07 +0000 (GMT)
> > > >
> > > >I want to believe there is no contradictions in
> > > these
> > > >statements.That granted what I find demeaning
> is
> > > the
> > > >statement that Mu7 gave us the monarchy and
> since
> > > we
> > > >are not sure whether his successor will be pro
> > > >monarchism we have to start or should we
> continue
> > > >negotiating for it?.I have all along thought
> and
> > > known
> > > >that the Monarch was there even before the
> colonial
> > > >times and to read this type of statements is to
> say
> > > >the least very mind boggling.What Mu7 has done
> is
> > > >actually to undermine the Monarchy so that it
> > > becomes
> > > >subservient to him and hence this type of
> > > statements.
> > > >B4 1966 everybody who cares to know, knows what
> the
> > > >monarchy was about and if that is what we want
> > > under
> > > >the aegesis of Federalism then we can hide
> under
> > > these
> > > >nefarious statements.
> > > >Thank you.
> > > >Kipenji.
> > >
> >
>
>==============================================================---
> > > >jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I
> > > >don't see any contradiction between what the
> > > > > Kabaka said previously and
> > > > > what is reported in the article below. All
> he is
> > > > > stressing is that federo
> > > > > needs to be negotiated (and not achieved by
> > > other
> > > > > means). This in no way
> > > > > negates the statement that federo is around
> the
> > > > > corner.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kasangwawo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > >Subject: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says
> Kabaka
> > > > > Mutebi-Monitor 25/11/2002
> > > > > >Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:25:32 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Can some body help me here, didn't he just
> say
> > > that
> > > > > federal is around the
> > > > > >comer? What is he smoking these days?
> > > > > >Em
> > > > > > The Mulindwas communication group
> > > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in
> anarchy"
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Omar Kezimbira
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:24 AM
> > > > > > Subject: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says
> > > Kabaka
> > > > > Mutebi-Monitor 25/11/2002
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Go slow on federo says kabaka Mutebi
> > > > > > By Wandera w'Ouma
> > > > > > Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi has advised
> > > Baganda
> > > > > who are pro-federo to
> > > > > >negotiate their case.
> > > > > > He said federo (or federalism) could
> only be
> > > > > granted when parties
> > > > > >negotiate rather than exert pressure on the
> > > central
> > > > > government.
> > > > > > The Kabaka gave the advice while
> launching
> > > the
> > > > > Kayunga District
> > > > > >Investment Committee headed by area LC-V
> > > Chairman
> > > > > Stephen Dagada and
> > > > > >UTODA's Hajji Moses Katongole on Friday.
> > > > > > "Yes, those who want federo should not
> > > > > pressurise government while
> > > > > >asking for it," said Arthur Bagunwa,
> Buganda's
>
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