Mwaami Ssemakula,thanks for your question.From the start I do not think I said Federalism that I very strongly support is incompartible with Monarchism,but from what most Federalist agitators in and within Buganda appear to be gunning for,they are more interested in Monarchism than Federalism and this makes the issue of Federalism thus harder to market outside Buganda because all the discussants appear not to be discussing from the same page.If you remember in a different fora the issue of a Karamojong being elected a Prime Minister in the Federal State of Busoga was raised and that "mu mbujjuvu" actually revealed what Federalism meant to most people.Bundesrepublik Deutschland is a Federal State,so is Switzerland,Canada and to a certain extent the so called United Kingdom,this very much contrasts with the Monarchism that is practiced in Swaziland not very far from Uganda.Monarchism is more closely related to the totalitarian governance that we have had shoved down ourb throats in Uganda for eon years.The only difference with this centrist totalitarianism is that the politicians at the centre of it all claim they got the mandate of the people to do whatever they have always done.In Monarchism however leadership is not contested by all and saundry because geneology predetermines who the leader should or should not be. In this respect therefore Monarchism and Federalism may afterall be mutually exclusive. Thanks. Kipenji. =========================================================== --- J Ssemakula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <HR> <html><div style='background-color:'><DIV> <P>Mr. Owor Kipenji:</P> <P>Do you think that Federalism and Monarchism are incompatable or mutually exclusive? Is so, why?<BR><BR></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>----Original Message Follows---- <DIV></DIV>From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says Kabaka Mutebi-Monitor 25/11/2002 <DIV></DIV>Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:05:50 +0000 (GMT) <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Are we in Buganda for Federalism or Monarchism?.That <DIV></DIV>is the issue I would like all peace loving Baganda <DIV></DIV>whose <DIV></DIV>"Ekitiibwa kyava da" to discuss with the rest of <DIV></DIV>Ugandans for I am an ardent supporter of Federalism. <DIV></DIV>Thanks. <DIV></DIV>Kipenji. <DIV></DIV>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > <DIV></DIV>Kipenji, <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> what issues do you have exactly in mind ? <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> Kasangwawo <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>> >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says Kabaka <DIV></DIV>> Mutebi-Monitor <DIV></DIV>> >25/11/2002 <DIV></DIV>> >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:15:03 +0000 (GMT) <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> >I hear you loud and clear!.Could we then start <DIV></DIV>> >addressing the real issues other than misreading <DIV></DIV>> what <DIV></DIV>> >the other may have meant or not meant to say?. <DIV></DIV>> >Thanks. <DIV></DIV>> >Kipenji. <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>===================================================== <DIV></DIV>> >--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> >Well, if you understood, you didn't seem to <DIV></DIV>> > > differentiate between what the <DIV></DIV>> > > Kabaka said and what others said. I was <DIV></DIV>> specifically <DIV></DIV>> > > addressing Kabaka's <DIV></DIV>> > > statements when I said there were no <DIV></DIV>> contradictions, <DIV></DIV>> > > remember ? <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > But before we continue talking past each other, <DIV></DIV>> let <DIV></DIV>> > > me stress that I, for <DIV></DIV>> > > one, don't view the restoration of the monarchy <DIV></DIV>> as a <DIV></DIV>> > > favour. It is a right <DIV></DIV>> > > of the people of Buganda to have their monarchy <DIV></DIV>> and, <DIV></DIV>> > > lest you forget, they <DIV></DIV>> > > also spilt their blood for it. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > Kasangwawo <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > > >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says <DIV></DIV>> Kabaka <DIV></DIV>> > > Mutebi-Monitor <DIV></DIV>> > > >25/11/2002 <DIV></DIV>> > > >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:33:43 +0000 (GMT) <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > >Thanks for your apologist attitudes and <DIV></DIV>> posturing <DIV></DIV>> > > as <DIV></DIV>> > > >if to say I never understood that the lady you <DIV></DIV>> now <DIV></DIV>> > > >want <DIV></DIV>> > > >to disenfranchise from Buganda said it.If all <DIV></DIV>> these <DIV></DIV>> > > >types of statements are considered in their <DIV></DIV>> > > totality <DIV></DIV>> > > >the fact still remains that restoration or <DIV></DIV>> giving <DIV></DIV>> > > of <DIV></DIV>> > > >the monarch should not be seen as a favour for <DIV></DIV>> > > which a <DIV></DIV>> > > >people whose livelihood and hence culture <DIV></DIV>> revolve <DIV></DIV>> > > >around should forever be grateful.We have to <DIV></DIV>> reach <DIV></DIV>> > > a <DIV></DIV>> > > >stage when we have to differentiate rights from <DIV></DIV>> > > >previledges in order to be able not to <DIV></DIV>> cheerlead <DIV></DIV>> > > >dictators calling them benovalent.That would <DIV></DIV>> indeed <DIV></DIV>> > > be <DIV></DIV>> > > >an oxymoron. <DIV></DIV>> > > >That is what I wanted to pass and I still stand <DIV></DIV>> by <DIV></DIV>> > > it. <DIV></DIV>> > > >Thanks. <DIV></DIV>> > > >Emirembe gibe nawe. <DIV></DIV>> > > >Kipenji. <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>============================================================================================================== <DIV></DIV>> > > >--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>> wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > >Kipenji, <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > it is necessary to understand the language <DIV></DIV>> of <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Ugandans. When they say that <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Mu7 gave us the monarchy, what they actually <DIV></DIV>> > > mean is <DIV></DIV>> > > > > that it was restored <DIV></DIV>> > > > > under his government (although I'm sure he <DIV></DIV>> had a <DIV></DIV>> > > > > hand in the decision and <DIV></DIV>> > > > > through negotiations). It is similar to when <DIV></DIV>> > > they <DIV></DIV>> > > > > say that Obote killed us. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > This doesn't mean the man himself actually <DIV></DIV>> took <DIV></DIV>> > > the <DIV></DIV>> > > > > gun and shot people. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > That said, I'd hate to think that you are <DIV></DIV>> > > > > attributing the statement, which <DIV></DIV>> > > > > you found demeaning, to the Kabaka. He never <DIV></DIV>> > > said <DIV></DIV>> > > > > it. And before I hear <DIV></DIV>> > > > > shouts from all sorts of corners, let me <DIV></DIV>> stress <DIV></DIV>> > > that <DIV></DIV>> > > > > the lady MP who said it <DIV></DIV>> > > > > is not even an ethnic Muganda. But she has a <DIV></DIV>> > > right <DIV></DIV>> > > > > to her opinions. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Kasangwawo <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >From: Owor Kipenji <DIV></DIV>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says <DIV></DIV>> > > Kabaka <DIV></DIV>> > > > > Mutebi-Monitor <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >25/11/2002 <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:56:07 +0000 (GMT) <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >I want to believe there is no <DIV></DIV>> contradictions in <DIV></DIV>> > > > > these <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >statements.That granted what I find <DIV></DIV>> demeaning <DIV></DIV>> > > is <DIV></DIV>> > > > > the <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >statement that Mu7 gave us the monarchy and <DIV></DIV>> > > since <DIV></DIV>> > > > > we <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >are not sure whether his successor will be <DIV></DIV>> pro <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >monarchism we have to start or should we <DIV></DIV>> > > continue <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >negotiating for it?.I have all along <DIV></DIV>> thought <DIV></DIV>> > > and <DIV></DIV>> > > > > known <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >that the Monarch was there even before the <DIV></DIV>> > > colonial <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >times and to read this type of statements <DIV></DIV>> is to <DIV></DIV>> > > say <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >the least very mind boggling.What Mu7 has <DIV></DIV>> done <DIV></DIV>> > > is <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >actually to undermine the Monarchy so that <DIV></DIV>> it <DIV></DIV>> > > > > becomes <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >subservient to him and hence this type of <DIV></DIV>> > > > > statements. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >B4 1966 everybody who cares to know, knows <DIV></DIV>> what <DIV></DIV>> > > the <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >monarchy was about and if that is what we <DIV></DIV>> want <DIV></DIV>> > > > > under <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >the aegesis of Federalism then we can hide <DIV></DIV>> > > under <DIV></DIV>> > > > > these <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >nefarious statements. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >Thank you. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >Kipenji. <DIV></DIV>> > > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > > <DIV></DIV>> > > <DIV></DIV>> > <DIV></DIV>> <DIV></DIV>>==============================================================--- <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <DIV></DIV>> wrote: <DIV></DIV>> > > > I <DIV></DIV>> > > > > >don't see any contradiction between what <DIV></DIV>> the <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > Kabaka said previously and <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > what is reported in the article below. <DIV></DIV>> All <DIV></DIV>> > > he is <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > stressing is that federo <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > needs to be negotiated (and not achieved <DIV></DIV>> by <DIV></DIV>> > > > > other <DIV></DIV>> > > > > > > means). 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