Are we in Buganda for Federalism or Monarchism?.That is the issue I would like all peace loving Baganda whose "Ekitiibwa kyava da" to discuss with the rest of Ugandans for I am an ardent supporter of Federalism. Thanks. Kipenji. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kipenji, > > what issues do you have exactly in mind ? > > Kasangwawo > > > >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says Kabaka > Mutebi-Monitor > >25/11/2002 > >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:15:03 +0000 (GMT) > > > >I hear you loud and clear!.Could we then start > >addressing the real issues other than misreading > what > >the other may have meant or not meant to say?. > >Thanks. > >Kipenji. > >===================================================== > >--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Well, if you understood, you didn't seem to > > > differentiate between what the > > > Kabaka said and what others said. I was > specifically > > > addressing Kabaka's > > > statements when I said there were no > contradictions, > > > remember ? > > > > > > But before we continue talking past each other, > let > > > me stress that I, for > > > one, don't view the restoration of the monarchy > as a > > > favour. It is a right > > > of the people of Buganda to have their monarchy > and, > > > lest you forget, they > > > also spilt their blood for it. > > > > > > Kasangwawo > > > > > > > > > >From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says > Kabaka > > > Mutebi-Monitor > > > >25/11/2002 > > > >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 14:33:43 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > > > >Thanks for your apologist attitudes and > posturing > > > as > > > >if to say I never understood that the lady you > now > > > >want > > > >to disenfranchise from Buganda said it.If all > these > > > >types of statements are considered in their > > > totality > > > >the fact still remains that restoration or > giving > > > of > > > >the monarch should not be seen as a favour for > > > which a > > > >people whose livelihood and hence culture > revolve > > > >around should forever be grateful.We have to > reach > > > a > > > >stage when we have to differentiate rights from > > > >previledges in order to be able not to > cheerlead > > > >dictators calling them benovalent.That would > indeed > > > be > > > >an oxymoron. > > > >That is what I wanted to pass and I still stand > by > > > it. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Emirembe gibe nawe. > > > >Kipenji. > > > > > > >============================================================================================================== > > > >--- jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > >Kipenji, > > > > > > > > > > it is necessary to understand the language > of > > > > > Ugandans. When they say that > > > > > Mu7 gave us the monarchy, what they actually > > > mean is > > > > > that it was restored > > > > > under his government (although I'm sure he > had a > > > > > hand in the decision and > > > > > through negotiations). It is similar to when > > > they > > > > > say that Obote killed us. > > > > > This doesn't mean the man himself actually > took > > > the > > > > > gun and shot people. > > > > > That said, I'd hate to think that you are > > > > > attributing the statement, which > > > > > you found demeaning, to the Kabaka. He never > > > said > > > > > it. And before I hear > > > > > shouts from all sorts of corners, let me > stress > > > that > > > > > the lady MP who said it > > > > > is not even an ethnic Muganda. But she has a > > > right > > > > > to her opinions. > > > > > > > > > > Kasangwawo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Owor Kipenji > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Go slow on federo says > > > Kabaka > > > > > Mutebi-Monitor > > > > > >25/11/2002 > > > > > >Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:56:07 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > > > > > > > >I want to believe there is no > contradictions in > > > > > these > > > > > >statements.That granted what I find > demeaning > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > >statement that Mu7 gave us the monarchy and > > > since > > > > > we > > > > > >are not sure whether his successor will be > pro > > > > > >monarchism we have to start or should we > > > continue > > > > > >negotiating for it?.I have all along > thought > > > and > > > > > known > > > > > >that the Monarch was there even before the > > > colonial > > > > > >times and to read this type of statements > is to > > > say > > > > > >the least very mind boggling.What Mu7 has > done > > > is > > > > > >actually to undermine the Monarchy so that > it > > > > > becomes > > > > > >subservient to him and hence this type of > > > > > statements. > > > > > >B4 1966 everybody who cares to know, knows > what > > > the > > > > > >monarchy was about and if that is what we > want > > > > > under > > > > > >the aegesis of Federalism then we can hide > > > under > > > > > these > > > > > >nefarious statements. > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > >Kipenji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==============================================================--- > > > > > >jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I > > > > > >don't see any contradiction between what > the > > > > > > > Kabaka said previously and > > > > > > > what is reported in the article below. > All > > > he is > > > > > > > stressing is that federo > > > > > > > needs to be negotiated (and not achieved > by > > > > > other > > > > > > > means). This in no way > === message truncated ===
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