Chris Wood Said "- I've seen some people move from school to school to school. That really stretches out getting things done and on a resume it makes people wonder about commitment. Job hopping looks the same way. If you are moving jobs every 18 months, then employers will be skeptical of your commitment."
While I think this is silly when it comes to schooling, I see a point to doing it with work. Most young employees today don't see job hoping as a commitment issue, it simply is a financial issue. Why stay at a company for more time than that when you don't get any raises, or small "token" raises, if you are lucky, when I can go to a different company and end up making thousands more a year? I try and be loyal to companies I work for but when I see people I know that regularly "job hop" making substantially more than I am, even though they have less experience than me, it is quite frustrating. Not to mention the benefit of not getting stuck in the "8 years at one job trap" as previously mentioned. Then we could always completely derail this conversation and talk about the loyalty of employers to their employees... but we won't go there. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Chris Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Grant Shipley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Jonathan Grotegut <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> Why as a hiring > >> manager would you choose > >> someone with a piece of paper that says they spent a ton of money on > >> learning something, vs someone > >> who has spent a TON of time learning on their own? > >> > >> > > Because the person who has spent a ton of money on their degree also > spent > > *a ton* of time getting it. If you were a hiring manager and had two > > candidates with similar job experience and only one had a degree, who > would > > you hire? > > > I'm concerned that some comments on this thread pit only two positions > as options; not getting a degree and working to get experience versus > graduating with no experience and 80k in debt. This is a false > comparison -- there are more than two options. > > When I've interviewed people just graduating, I really prefer those > that have had a job while going to school. Overall, I've had good > luck with students that work for me while going to school if they are > willing to give the job a solid effort (note: seniors their last > semester can be useless if they aren't staying with your company). It > is possible to work and go to school at the same time. When I was > doing hiring, I was concerned about the trend of many students to > think they just need to do school and can then go get experience. In > one electrical engineering department, we wanted to hire students and > could not get them to apply because they considered their schooling > the only responsibility they needed to have. Again, work + school is > doable and accelerates the career. > > >From my observations with working with newly graduating students, > current students, and people that didn't graduate (these are comments > only about typical colleges and not the for-profit schools): > > - If you are going to do it, you really need to make the commitment to > complete the degree. You aren't going to get it done taking only 1-2 > classes a semester. You need to be seriously chunking away at the > credit requirements by taking a full load. Yes, even if you're > working you need to be making serious progress. If you spread out a > degree across 8 years, life is going to derail your efforts. > > - If you are a student and working, be upfront with your employer > about your plans/schedule. Give them as much notice as you can if you > are going to leave. If you commit to stay to the end of the semester, > do it -- don't flake out because you are a senior and it is your last > semester. Your employer can be a great job reference for your first > job after graduating. > > - Some employers will pay part or all of your schooling if you commit > to stay with them for x amount of time. I had one student that > graduated and went to work for another local company that was willing > to consider helping with graduate degrees. That was a big deal to > him. Employers like employees that want to learn and will usually > accommodate schedules. > > - If you're doing a traditional 4 year degree, you can knock out your > general ed at a local community college cheaply and transfer them to > the school you want your degree from. State schools are typically > affordable and good places to get degrees. > > - I've seen some people move from school to school to school. That > really stretches out getting things done and on a resume it makes > people wonder about commitment. Job hopping looks the same way. If > you are moving jobs every 18 months, then employers will be skeptical > of your commitment. > > - Working for a school can get you free tuition. I had a fellow > student that had a wife and kids. He worked for the school in their > IT department full time, went to school full time, and got free > tuition plus a flexible work schedule. He finished with a master's > degree before he moved on. Honestly, he was one of the top students > because of his work experience. Some schools will offer half tuition > to children of staff. I know one woman that went to work for the > school in their bookstore to enable her kids to have half tuition. > Over 7 kids and 20 years, the school covered a lot of $ in tuition for > that family. > > There are a ton of different ways to approach schooling. > > -- > Chris Wood > -=-=-=-=-=-=- > > _______________________________________________ > > UPHPU mailing list > [email protected] > http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu > IRC: #uphpu on irc.freenode.net > _______________________________________________ UPHPU mailing list [email protected] http://uphpu.org/mailman/listinfo/uphpu IRC: #uphpu on irc.freenode.net
