I've always thought the perl Mason site was pretty good. Simple, clean, easy to find stuff. A little intro on the front page, and well organized, easy to find links to the various areas.
http://www.masonhq.com/ On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 18:21 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote: > Well - I think what we went thru was the difference between targeting the > trunk and targeting the release branch - and we do still differ there in a > big way - so that's not what I want to talk about. What I'm looking for are > actual examples and thought put in to _how_ I can help design and bring to > fruition the type of snapshot website that you would be stoked about. As I > said earlier, even examples of someone else doing it really well is out > there. What you've written below is really general and doesn't make much > sense to me > > >>> I'd like to have a download site where any user, especially a new user, > >>> could visit, feel comfortable about the project (and life in general), > >>> and then proceed about the business of downloading code. Easy, simple and > >>> painless. > > I'm down to spend my time and my companies time in marketing OFBiz - (I think > I've proven that) - but I'd like a little guidance - at least in this > discussion - towards an example of doing it right. > > Cheers, > Ruppert > > On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > > > Hi Tim: > > I'm a little surprised. I thought we went through this a while back (maybe > > a few months ago) and the answer was: "the site is targeted at project > > committers". I left that discussion with the impression that was the last > > word. Are you saying that you might be open to discussing this again? > > Regards, > > Ruth > > > > Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to think on it this weekend and will > >> try and come up with some ideas of how this could work better. If you > >> could show me some sites that you do like, that would be a big help - then > >> I can see how to get that working in our world. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Ruppert > >> > >> On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hi Tim: > >>> Since you asked: > >>> > >>> I'd like to have a download site where any user, especially a new user, > >>> could visit, feel comfortable about the project (and life in general), > >>> and then proceed about the business of downloading code. Easy, simple and > >>> painless. Yes, the nightly builds are a HUGE step in that direction. > >>> Thanks again to everyone who makes this possible. But, lets put that in > >>> perspective: That only makes the process of downloading easier. > >>> > >>> I'd also like to have a seat on the project's oversight group. I don't > >>> understand how a project of this magnitude can continue to grow and > >>> prosper without business oriented people helping to guide it. The > >>> oversight group (whoever they happen to be) is like a bunch of very > >>> clever "foxes" guarding the "chicken coop". (Where the "chicken coop" is > >>> the code base.) There is so much more to making software successful than > >>> anything clever "foxes" will ever have time to consider. > >>> > >>> Actually, I take that back. If I'm part of the committer's group, I > >>> won't be able to "whine" and "troll" from the comfort of my desktop > >>> anymore. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Ruth > >>> > >>> > >>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks - again that was super helpful. I took the time to lay it out > >>>> like a towel what was there, what looks to be broken when we migrated to > >>>> the ASF infra and no you wont' go thru it? There are some obvious spots > >>>> for you to say something or point to projects you like, but you just > >>>> continue to roll your eyes. I didn't push for or want this move to the > >>>> ASF infra - but I'm still trying to help here. > >>>> > >>>> What else do you want here Ruth? Cheers, > >>>> Ruppert > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Tim: > >>>>> I've been through this already. Several times over. > >>>>> > >>>>> All I can say at this point is, no one is minding the store. I just > >>>>> don't get it: You guys spend hours agonizing over how and where to put > >>>>> spaces in Java files, yet you can't see the most obvious flaws in how > >>>>> OFBiz does business. > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh well... > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Ruth > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Tim Ruppert wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Ruth, I'm sure there's some good that could come out of your message - > >>>>>> so against my general nature of responding to this type of attitude, > >>>>>> I'm going to try and help you phrase this in a way that will help us > >>>>>> help infra to try to meet what you're looking for. Here's what I see > >>>>>> when I go to the site(s): > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ - not downloading and > >>>>>> testing anything - just looking at what I see: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. The nightly trunk seems to be updated daily. > >>>>>> 2. The 9.04 builds seem to, for some reason not be being updated on > >>>>>> this page. > >>>>>> 3. There aren't many 4.0 releases being built. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Then I go to here - > >>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/archive/snapshots/ - and I see a > >>>>>> slightly different picture: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. The trunk builds aren't really archives they're simply another copy > >>>>>> after it was moved over. -- The archives are there though from when > >>>>>> HotWax was managing it. > >>>>>> 2. The 9.04 builds seem to really be the ones that we'd want on that > >>>>>> first page. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now, since I know that this release and the downloads are super > >>>>>> important to you, I'm really more interested in hearing you: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. Lay out the way you'd like to see these pages work. > >>>>>> 2. Even show some examples of other projects that you _do_ like > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I hope this helps Ruth - as Adrian and Jacopo mentioned, what you've > >>>>>> sent here is just a whine, not a helpful way for anyone to improve. > >>>>>> Put in the time and help us to make it more like you like and I'm sure > >>>>>> you'll be more pleased with the result. Btw, all of those other > >>>>>> options are not the same type of community driven projects as the ASF, > >>>>>> so it's hard to manage the same way. When commercial interests are > >>>>>> more intertwined with the project, there are definitely benefits (as > >>>>>> well as drawbacks), so let's at least acknowledge those. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Ruppert > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Adrian Crum wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If there is a problem with the OFBiz site, it would be helpful to > >>>>>>> know what it is. Remarks like this are not helpful. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Adrian > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This was meant as a sarcastic, "I can't believe this kind of thing > >>>>>>>> keeps falling through the cracks", kind of remark. No wonder new > >>>>>>>> users shy away. I mean, no wonder new users run as fast as their > >>>>>>>> browsers will take them to OpenBravo, OpenERP, Magento... > >>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>> Ruth > >>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword > >>>>>>>> "myofbiz" > >>>>>>>> ruth.hoff...@myofbiz.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > -- Matt Warnock <mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com> RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
