We're using a build.gradle file actually. Personally, I'd like to move the dependencies to a pom.xml file, but that'll come later
On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 12:31 PM Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org> wrote: > I was under the impression that Gradle understood Maven pom files so that > if your project depended on org.apache.activemq:artemis-server it would get > all the transitive dependencies like commons-beanutils:commons-beanutils. > Is that not the case? > > > Justin > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 2:14 PM Michael Brennock <mbrenn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Ah, that explains why it's missing. We're using Gradle on this project to > > import dependencies. I'll add that dependency as well > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 12:06 PM Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > Looks like you need commons-beanutils:commons-beanutils:1.9.4 [1]. This > > > dependency is declared in the artemis-server [2] module so you should > get > > > it automatically if you're using Maven to manage your dependencies. > > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > https://search.maven.org/artifact/commons-beanutils/commons-beanutils/1.9.4/jar > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/blob/main/artemis-server/pom.xml#L158 > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 1:26 PM Michael Brennock <mbrenn...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > John, I appreciate your suggestions! I will try to put them to work > > > today. > > > > > > > > Perhaps they can help me resolve a runtime error I'm getting from > > > > embeddedActiveMQ.start()? the stacktrace looks something like this: > > > > > > > > [23-Jan-10 14:16:50:330] [INFO] [BrokerInitializer:197] - Embedded > > > Artemis > > > > Broker being started > > > > java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: > > > > org/apache/commons/beanutils/BeanIntrospector > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.utils.critical.CriticalAnalyzerPolicy.<clinit>(CriticalAnalyzerPolicy.java:28) > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.api.config.ActiveMQDefaultConfiguration.<clinit>(ActiveMQDefaultConfiguration.java:593) > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.config.impl.ConfigurationImpl.<init>(ConfigurationImpl.java:111) > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.config.impl.FileConfiguration.<init>(FileConfiguration.java:34) > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.embedded.EmbeddedActiveMQ.initStart(EmbeddedActiveMQ.java:125) > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.activemq.artemis.core.server.embedded.EmbeddedActiveMQ.start(EmbeddedActiveMQ.java:115) > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > com.pdxinc.eps.jms.broker.BrokerInitializer.createBroker(BrokerInitializer.java:198) > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > > Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: > > > > org.apache.commons.beanutils.BeanIntrospector > > > > at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:387) > > > > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:418) > > > > at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:355) > > > > at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:351) > > > > ... 18 more > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea what dependency might be missing? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 8:53 AM Justin Bertram <jbert...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In particular, AMQ 5 let's you create several objects off the > same > > > > > Session and use them concurrently... > > > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, the JMS specification states that Session > > objects > > > > are > > > > > *not* thread-safe so any concurrent use is a spec violation. You > may > > > find > > > > > implementations where concurrent use happens to work or may, in > fact, > > > be > > > > > explicitly designed to work, but relying on non-spec behavior is > not > > > > > recommended as it handicaps portability (as you have found). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 11:18 AM John Lilley > > > > > <john.lil...@redpointglobal.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Michael, > > > > >> > > > > >> We have recently migrated from AMQ 5 to Artemis, and we used > > embedded > > > > >> brokers for testing, so I might be able to help. > > > > >> > > > > >> Jolokia (web service API) is not available in the embedded > brokers, > > we > > > > >> migrated to using the queue-based management API instead for > things > > > like > > > > >> queue counts and lists. But I think that absence of the web server > > is > > > > true > > > > >> for both AMQ 5 and Artemis. > > > > >> > > > > >> We create the embedded broker using > > > > >> EmbeddedActiveMQ broker = new EmbeddedActiveMQ(); > > > > >> broker.setConfigResourcePath("mybroker.xml"); > > > > >> broker.start(); > > > > >> where mybroker.xml is the Artemis broker.xml file stored as a > > > top-level > > > > >> java resource > > > > >> > > > > >> We found that Artemis is much more strict about prohibiting > > > multi-thread > > > > >> access to JMS objects than AMQ 5, and we had to refactor some code > > > > because > > > > >> of that. In particular, AMQ 5 let's you create several objects off > > the > > > > same > > > > >> Session and use them concurrently; Artemis does not, you must > make a > > > new > > > > >> Session for each. > > > > >> > > > > >> Artemis clients use thread pooling; it is much more efficient and > > you > > > > can > > > > >> create many more MessageListener instances without incurring a lot > > of > > > > idle > > > > >> threads. > > > > >> > > > > >> We found that using session/producer pooling was more important > with > > > > >> Artemis than it was with AMQ 5, because of increased broker memory > > > > >> footprint* for queues and sessions. That being said, pooling is > > > awesome. > > > > >> > > > > >> Similarly, we found RPC reply-to queue pooling to also be > important. > > > > >> > > > > >> - We did not measure this directly with controlled testing. > > Memory > > > > >> observations came from production systems running load tests > and > > > > there > > > > >> could have been other factors such as session leakage. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> [image: rg] <https://www.redpointglobal.com/> > > > > >> > > > > >> John Lilley > > > > >> > > > > >> Data Management Chief Architect, Redpoint Global Inc. > > > > >> > > > > >> 888 Worcester Street, Suite 200 Wellesley, MA 02482 > > > > >> > > > > >> *M: *+1 7209385761 <+1%207209385761> | > > john.lil...@redpointglobal.com > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Michael Brennock <mbrenn...@gmail.com> > > > > >> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2023 12:50 PM > > > > >> To: users@activemq.apache.org > > > > >> Subject: Re: Looking for guidance on conversion from embedded > > activemq > > > > to > > > > >> artemis > > > > >> > > > > >> *** [Caution] This email is from an external source. Please use > > > caution > > > > >> responding, opening attachments or clicking embedded links. *** > > > > >> > > > > >> Thank you for your feedback Justin. I will be more specific in my > > > > >> descriptions. > > > > >> > > > > >> - First, the activeMQ application creates an instance of > > > > >> BrokerService from BrokerFactory.createBroker(), with a > > > > activemq-config.xml > > > > >> for its argument > > > > >> - Next, the queues themselves are loaded one at a time by > > locating > > > > >> their beans. The beans are wired in the classic spring fashion > > from > > > > >> eps.broker.xml. The connected are created with > ConnectionFactory > > > and > > > > >> started with start() > > > > >> - (I'm perfectly happy to update this to the Artemis > > > configuration > > > > >> file method instead) > > > > >> > > > > >> If I understand correctly, I need to replace the references to > > > > >> activemq-broker-initializer with EmbeddedActiveMQ, which comes > from > > > > >> Artemis. Next, I need to use ConnectionFactory and Queue classes > > from > > > > JMS > > > > >> to add the message queues to the embedded server I created with > > > > >> EmbeddedActiveMQ. Is that at least heading in the right direction? > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks again for your help, > > > > >> > > > > >> Michael > > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 11:16 AM Justin Bertram < > jbert...@apache.org > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > There's just not enough detail in what you've stated to provide > > any > > > > >> > concrete help with your migration. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > You said, "...it looks like BrokerService is used throughout the > > > > >> > application," but you've provided no details about *how* > > > BrokerService > > > > >> > is used. Most applications using an embedded broker are pretty > > > > >> > straightforward when it comes to broker configuration. They > > > typically > > > > >> > create a broker instance, configure it with a few endpoints > (e.g. > > > > >> > queues, topics, etc.), configure a couple of other parameters, > > start > > > > >> > it, use it, and when the application is done it shuts the broker > > > down. > > > > >> > Does your application follow this basic pattern? Does it > configure > > > the > > > > >> > broker programmatically or does it load configuration files? > Does > > it > > > > >> > rely on automatic creation of endpoints? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > In order to replace BrokerService with EmbeddedActiveMQ we need > > > > >> > specific details about how BrokerService is being used. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hope that helps! > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Justin > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 12:21 PM Michael Brennock < > > > mbrenn...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks for the quick reply! > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > For a more specific question, it looks like BrokerService is > > used > > > > >> > > throughout the application, as well as the > active-mq-initializer > > > > >> > > bean > > > > >> > from > > > > >> > > activeMQ. > > > > >> > > To clarify, I inherited this project from other developers who > > are > > > > >> > > long gone. I started working on this because I briefly worked > > on a > > > > >> > > message > > > > >> > queue > > > > >> > > system before. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2023, 8:41 PM Justin Bertram < > > jbert...@apache.org> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > EmbeddedActiveMQ is the class you want to use for embedding > > > > >> > > > ActiveMQ Artemis. The BrokerService is a class from ActiveMQ > > > > >> > > > "Classic". It is > > > > >> > used > > > > >> > > > in the ActiveMQ Artemis code-base only for testing purposes. > > You > > > > >> > > > won't > > > > >> > > use > > > > >> > > > it at all when migrating. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > For additional help you'll have to ask more specific > > questions. > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Justin > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 4:45 PM Michael Brennock > > > > >> > > > <mbrenn...@gmail.com> > > > > >> > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Good afternoon, > > > > >> > > > > I've been tasked to migrate an existing application's > > message > > > > >> > > > > broker > > > > >> > > from > > > > >> > > > > ActiveMQ to Artemis. I was wondering if I could get some > > help > > > > >> > > > > troubleshooting my solution? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > We had some initial success replacing our embedded > activeMQ > > > > >> > > > > broker > > > > >> > > with a > > > > >> > > > > standalone broker that runs outside the application and > > still > > > > >> > > > > uses > > > > >> > the > > > > >> > > > > original message queues defined in activeMQ. I tried to > > follow > > > > >> > > > > the information in this guide for creating either an > > > > >> > > > > EmbeddedActiveMQ or > > > > >> > a > > > > >> > > > > BrokerService. Something about the intended design path is > > > > >> > > > > unclear to > > > > >> > > me, > > > > >> > > > > even after reading the manual (1) and scouring the code > from > > > the > > > > >> > github > > > > >> > > > > page for answers (2) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Can anyone offer advice on how to migrate from embedded > > > ActiveMQ > > > > >> > > > > to embedded Artemis? I feel like I missed something > > important > > > in > > > > >> > > > > the > > > > >> > > > migration > > > > >> > > > > documentation > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (1) > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > https://activemq.apache.org/components/artemis/documentation/latest/em > > > > >> > bedding-activemq.html > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (2) > > > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/activemq-artemis/search?q=brokerService > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> PLEASE NOTE: This e-mail from Redpoint Global Inc. (“Redpoint”) is > > > > >> confidential and is intended solely for the use of the > individual(s) > > > to > > > > >> whom it is addressed. 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