Yes you right Amin. But, I want to know which shortcomming in existing CMPs(CloudStack, OpenStack), motivates some people(Archipel Community) to bring the XMPP server into the architecture and make every communication as an XMPP stanza? - Delay in event pushing? Delay in API calls? Really what???
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Amin Pashapour <jol...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > Following the diagrams in this page > ArchipelProject/Archipel > > > ArchipelProject/Archipel > Archipel - XMPP Based Orchestrator > View on github.com Preview by Yahoo > > looks like it is an agent-based orchestrator similar to cloudstack or > openstack. *stacks primarily use API's to communicate with the > hypervisors, but Archipel uses agents with XML-based messaging. > > If you find out more, please share. > > Thanks. > Amin > > > ________________________________ > From: hossein zabolzadeh <zabolza...@gmail.com> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 4:19 PM > Subject: Re: XMPP Server on CloudStack Management Server > > > Yes you right. > Thank for your aims. > I will check with them, and come back to this thread later. > > > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Those are great questions for their mailing list. > > > > No one here knows about archipelproject, i just gave you a reference. > > > > -Sebastien > > > > > On 3 Jun 2014, at 21:57, hossein zabolzadeh <zabolza...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sebgoa. > > > I didn't want to compare XMPP and virtualization. I want to know why > > using > > > XMPP comes into somebody's Mind?(Archipel Community) They wanted to > > satisfy > > > which feature that was not and currently is not addressed in cloudstack > > > and/or other CMPs(e.g. OpenStack, OpenNebula, ...)? > > > Which problem they want to solve by the aim of XMPP protocol? > > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:44 PM, sebgoa <run...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:31 PM, hossein zabolzadeh <zabolza...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Is there any idea, about "*XMPP over virtualization*" > advantages(Added > > >>> values)? > > >> > > >> > > >> Hossein, that question does not make any sense to me. XMPP is a > protocol > > >> for messaging and presence. > > >> You can't compare XMPP and virtualization. > > > > > > > > >>> What the ArchipelProject is looking for? > > >> > > >> No idea, I have never used it, but looks like they use xmpp for > virtual > > >> machine monitoring and it seems provisioning. > > >> You asked about XMPP and cloudstack, I googled and found this project > > >> which seems of interest, > > > > > > > > >>> Sebastien, what do you think? > > >> > > >> Check out archipelprojet, head to scholar.google.com , do some > > research, > > >> read > > >> write some code with xmpp, install ejabberd. > > >> > > >> What I do think is that XMPP is cool and highly scalable, so it can be > > >> used as a communication protocol for distributed systems, especially > one > > >> where the agents are transients. > > >> > > >> Have at it ... > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, sebgoa <run...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 1:11 PM, hossein zabolzadeh < > zabolza...@gmail.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Intresting. > > >>>>> Can you explain exactly what new feature the archipelproject is > > >>>>> delivered(By the aim of XMPP) that the current cloudstack can not > do? > > >>>>> I want to know the exact role of the XMPP and the added value > > provided > > >> by > > >>>>> this instance messaging protocol in a virtualization era. > > >>>> > > >>>> You are the one who asked about this…I don't know. > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sebastien Goasguen < > > run...@gmail.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> You could definitely use xmpp as command and control in your > > >> instances. > > >>>>>> This has been done before : > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> http://archipelproject.org > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> You could write xmpp hooks to call the cloudstack api as well > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I used to be involved in this project: > > >>>>>> https://github.com/legastero/Kestrel > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Which allowed you to run batch processing jobs on pools of VMs > using > > >>>> XMPP. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:59 AM, hossein zabolzadeh < > > zabolza...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> @David > > >>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On 01.06.2014 10:21, hossein zabolzadeh wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> @David > > >>>>>>>>> AMQP is not instance messaging. Does the cloudstack use AMPQ > for > > >> its > > >>>>>>>>> message passing mechanism? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> http://www.chipchilders.com/blog/2013/7/16/tapping-into- > > >>>>>>>> apache-cloudstack-events-via-amqp.html > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Nux! > > >>>>>>>> www.nux.ro > > >> > > >> > > >
