+1 for LTS As Nux and probably majority of other users, I also have no coding knowledge, so will also do my best meaning to test/report/complain...this where I see differrence between devs and the rest of us in my opinion.
On 25 November 2014 at 11:24, Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > I too want to have a LTS version. The issue is there are so many changes > that people/developers don’t backport which is what I’ve been trying to do > since past few weeks on 4.3 branch. The other potential issue for me to > backport changes/commits I did not author is resolving conflicts which if > not done properly may introduce a regression. > > I welcome all the developers to help backport changes to 4.3 branch till a > stable 4.5.0 or 4.5.1 is out; and all the users who would like to > participate in testing 4.3.2 (next bugfix release). I’ll send out emails on > users@ when we’ve a 4.3.2 candidate. > > > On 25-Nov-2014, at 3:04 pm, Erik Weber <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > How about a LTS version (basically what 4.3 currently is) that undergoes > > longer testing and receives bugfix releases for a certain amount of time? > > > > This is not a true proposal, just venting the idea. I'd even say that new > > features would have to be in one normal release before it's included in a > > LTS release. > > > > One drawback is that it most likely complicates release management. > > > > -- > > Erik > > > > On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 2:06:40 AM Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > > > >> Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark. > >> Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into ACS is > >> silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think there are > more > >> important things to fix first. > >> > >> In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development on new > >> features for a while and made the current features rock solid. > >> > >> I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would otherwise > >> slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care that much > for > >> S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be large > >> enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to develop them > myself > >> (and contribute them back). > >> > >> Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells and > whistles. > >> I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it and I > >> use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want the bloody > >> kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable services > for > >> my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said features; all > they > >> want is their application or site to work 24/7. > >> > >> Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; usage > stats > >> working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, security > >> groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI mistakes > or > >> typos in new releases and so on. > >> > >> Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! Everybody > >> pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, effort and > >> money to get working, if at all. > >> Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't use > >> Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use battle > tested > >> stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS. > >> > >> For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack in > >> production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take their time, > >> freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which features > can't be > >> used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and then > put it > >> up for sale (or download). > >> > >> Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already there! Sort > of > >> ... :-) > >> > >> /rant > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > >> > >> Nux! > >> www.nux.ro > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdi...@gmail.com> > >>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >>> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40 > >>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> > >>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky <and...@arhont.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential part of > the > >>>> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for many years > is a > >>>> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people switching to > >>>> OpenStack because of this problem. > >>>> > >>> > >>> there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground fast to > >>> openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies such as the > >> NFS > >>> as secondary being required, vague support for open source SDN such as > >>> opendaylight, is another > >>> while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, and being > a > >>> big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, it does > lack > >>> some of the higher end features and configuration aspects that are > found > >> in > >>> openstack. Now while I > >>> also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a client be > >>> installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well ahead in > >>> storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost > commercial > >>> solutions. I will credit CS people > >>> for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately even that > >> seems > >>> waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" support for > >>> openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others pushing turn > key > >>> distros, open source some at that. > >>> I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, but felt > the > >>> lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. Even > openstack > >>> is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight into the > >>> options, and it works well with ceph, gluster, > >>> and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, they are > >>> loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack is offering > >>> with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their horizons a bit, > >> and > >>> not appear so short sighted and narrow minded > >>> when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I was running > >> the > >>> product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the technologies > >>> becoming available, especially Software defined networking, and > software > >>> defined storage. CS is great, but requires > >>> a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on trending > >>> technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and XEN...... a > >> big > >>> win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly closing > >> that > >>> gap. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Can you send links, I am curious ! > >>>> > >>>> thxs > >>>> > >>>>> I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's fantastic > >>>> project and a really great community! > >>>>> > >>>>> Andrei > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> > >>>>>> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> > >>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >>>>> > >>>>>> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM. > >>>>> > >>>>>> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, that is the > >>>>>> question now :) > >>>>> > >>>>>> thx folks > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis > >>>>>> <adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in Creedence > >>>>>>> (Xenserver > >>>>>>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release (as should > >>>>>>> NFSv4 and > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization- > >> blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here: > >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-( > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08 > >>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for some time - > >>>>>>> works fine > >>>>>>> more or less :) thx > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk > >>>>>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can download > >>>>>>>> alpha of > >>>>>>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for production. > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not support > >>>>>>>> RBD > >>>>>>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely right -- > >>>>>>>> first > >>>>>>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need to wait for > >>>>>>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. There > >>>>>>>> were > >>>>>>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it worked well. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Vadim. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM > >>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = but the > >>>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using kernel 3.10.x > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will need to > >>>>>>>> wait > >>>>>>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks anyway > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk > >>>>>>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Andrija, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for supported > >>>>>>>>> SR-s > >>>>>>>>> here: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>> > http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/reference.html#ck > >>>>>>>> _reference_storage_repository_types > >>>>>>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD support is > >>>>>>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't find the > >>>>>>>>> link > >>>>>>>>> right away. > >>>>>>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage for > >>>>>>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD storage > >>>>>>>>> type. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Vadim. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM > >>>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi guys, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage ? > >>>>>>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside > >>>>>>>>> XenServer > >>>>>>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this - thus > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> question. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Andrija Panić > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Andrija Panić > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andrija Panić > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>>> Andrija Panić > >>>> > >> > > Regards, > Rohit Yadav > Software Architect, ShapeBlue > M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab > > > > Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services > > IaaS Cloud Design & Build< > http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//> > CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/> > CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> > CloudStack Software Engineering< > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/> > CloudStack Infrastructure Support< > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> > CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses< > http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > > This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended > solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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