I don’t want to takeover this thread so I’ll kick start a thread on officially recognising and working towards LTS releases (will cc to users@).
> On 25-Nov-2014, at 4:27 pm, Andrija Panic <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > +1 for LTS > > As Nux and probably majority of other users, I also have no coding > knowledge, so will also do my best meaning to test/report/complain...this > where I see differrence between devs and the rest of us in my opinion. > > > On 25 November 2014 at 11:24, Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > >> I too want to have a LTS version. The issue is there are so many changes >> that people/developers don’t backport which is what I’ve been trying to do >> since past few weeks on 4.3 branch. The other potential issue for me to >> backport changes/commits I did not author is resolving conflicts which if >> not done properly may introduce a regression. >> >> I welcome all the developers to help backport changes to 4.3 branch till a >> stable 4.5.0 or 4.5.1 is out; and all the users who would like to >> participate in testing 4.3.2 (next bugfix release). I’ll send out emails on >> users@ when we’ve a 4.3.2 candidate. >> >>> On 25-Nov-2014, at 3:04 pm, Erik Weber <terbol...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> How about a LTS version (basically what 4.3 currently is) that undergoes >>> longer testing and receives bugfix releases for a certain amount of time? >>> >>> This is not a true proposal, just venting the idea. I'd even say that new >>> features would have to be in one normal release before it's included in a >>> LTS release. >>> >>> One drawback is that it most likely complicates release management. >>> >>> -- >>> Erik >>> >>> On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 2:06:40 AM Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: >>> >>>> Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark. >>>> Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into ACS is >>>> silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think there are >> more >>>> important things to fix first. >>>> >>>> In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development on new >>>> features for a while and made the current features rock solid. >>>> >>>> I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would otherwise >>>> slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care that much >> for >>>> S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be large >>>> enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to develop them >> myself >>>> (and contribute them back). >>>> >>>> Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells and >> whistles. >>>> I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it and I >>>> use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want the bloody >>>> kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable services >> for >>>> my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said features; all >> they >>>> want is their application or site to work 24/7. >>>> >>>> Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; usage >> stats >>>> working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, security >>>> groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI mistakes >> or >>>> typos in new releases and so on. >>>> >>>> Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! Everybody >>>> pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, effort and >>>> money to get working, if at all. >>>> Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't use >>>> Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use battle >> tested >>>> stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS. >>>> >>>> For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack in >>>> production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take their time, >>>> freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which features >> can't be >>>> used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and then >> put it >>>> up for sale (or download). >>>> >>>> Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already there! Sort >> of >>>> ... :-) >>>> >>>> /rant >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! >>>> >>>> Nux! >>>> www.nux.ro >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdi...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40 >>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky <and...@arhont.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential part of >> the >>>>>> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for many years >> is a >>>>>> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people switching to >>>>>> OpenStack because of this problem. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground fast to >>>>> openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies such as the >>>> NFS >>>>> as secondary being required, vague support for open source SDN such as >>>>> opendaylight, is another >>>>> while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, and being >> a >>>>> big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, it does >> lack >>>>> some of the higher end features and configuration aspects that are >> found >>>> in >>>>> openstack. Now while I >>>>> also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a client be >>>>> installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well ahead in >>>>> storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost >> commercial >>>>> solutions. I will credit CS people >>>>> for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately even that >>>> seems >>>>> waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" support for >>>>> openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others pushing turn >> key >>>>> distros, open source some at that. >>>>> I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, but felt >> the >>>>> lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. Even >> openstack >>>>> is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight into the >>>>> options, and it works well with ceph, gluster, >>>>> and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, they are >>>>> loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack is offering >>>>> with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their horizons a bit, >>>> and >>>>> not appear so short sighted and narrow minded >>>>> when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I was running >>>> the >>>>> product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the technologies >>>>> becoming available, especially Software defined networking, and >> software >>>>> defined storage. CS is great, but requires >>>>> a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on trending >>>>> technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and XEN...... a >>>> big >>>>> win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly closing >>>> that >>>>> gap. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you send links, I am curious ! >>>>>> >>>>>> thxs >>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's fantastic >>>>>> project and a really great community! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrei >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, that is the >>>>>>>> question now :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thx folks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis >>>>>>>> <adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in Creedence >>>>>>>>> (Xenserver >>>>>>>>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release (as should >>>>>>>>> NFSv4 and >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization- >>>> blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here: >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08 >>>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for some time - >>>>>>>>> works fine >>>>>>>>> more or less :) thx >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk >>>>>>>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can download >>>>>>>>>> alpha of >>>>>>>>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for production. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not support >>>>>>>>>> RBD >>>>>>>>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely right -- >>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need to wait for >>>>>>>>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. There >>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it worked well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vadim. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = but the >>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using kernel 3.10.x >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will need to >>>>>>>>>> wait >>>>>>>>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks anyway >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk >>>>>>>>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Andrija, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for supported >>>>>>>>>>> SR-s >>>>>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/reference.html#ck >>>>>>>>>> _reference_storage_repository_types >>>>>>>>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD support is >>>>>>>>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't find the >>>>>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>>> right away. >>>>>>>>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage for >>>>>>>>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD storage >>>>>>>>>>> type. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vadim. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage ? >>>>>>>>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside >>>>>>>>>>> XenServer >>>>>>>>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this - thus >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> question. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>> >>>> >> >> Regards, >> Rohit Yadav >> Software Architect, ShapeBlue >> M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com >> Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab >> >> >> >> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services >> >> IaaS Cloud Design & Build< >> http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//> >> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/> >> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> >> CloudStack Software Engineering< >> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/> >> CloudStack Infrastructure Support< >> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> >> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses< >> http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> >> >> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended >> solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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