+1 for the LTS releases. Majority of falks in production needs to have a stable release.
I agree that it will make the release cycle more complex, however, if the result will improve the stability of the product i think it's worth the extra hustle. Also, it might improve the release times as current releases are often delayed by many months! I want to see the CloudStack as the rock solid cloud platform rather than a bloated oversized sponge full of holes. I am sure a lot of people will agree. Andrei ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 10:21:55 AM Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? Those who wants the new features? Those who're not running production? Labs? I agree that the idea isn't bulletproof, and might not even be possible with the way things are, but I do like the thought of LTS. Erik On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 10:51:32 AM Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > Erik, > > It will complicate release management and it will also attract most of the > users.. who will tests the rest of the releases? > > However as someone who is using CentOS instead of Fedora, I do like the > idea. :-) > > Would be interesting to hear ideas from some of the more hard core devs on > this. > > -- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > Nux! > www.nux.ro > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> > > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 09:34:53 > > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > > How about a LTS version (basically what 4.3 currently is) that undergoes > > longer testing and receives bugfix releases for a certain amount of time? > > > > This is not a true proposal, just venting the idea. I'd even say that new > > features would have to be in one normal release before it's included in a > > LTS release. > > > > One drawback is that it most likely complicates release management. > > > > -- > > Erik > > > > On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 2:06:40 AM Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > > > >> Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark. > >> Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into ACS is > >> silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think there are > more > >> important things to fix first. > >> > >> In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development on new > >> features for a while and made the current features rock solid. > >> > >> I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would otherwise > >> slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care that much > for > >> S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be large > >> enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to develop them > myself > >> (and contribute them back). > >> > >> Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells and > whistles. > >> I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it and I > >> use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want the bloody > >> kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable services > for > >> my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said features; all > they > >> want is their application or site to work 24/7. > >> > >> Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; usage > stats > >> working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, security > >> groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI mistakes > or > >> typos in new releases and so on. > >> > >> Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! Everybody > >> pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, effort and > >> money to get working, if at all. > >> Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't use > >> Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use battle > tested > >> stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS. > >> > >> For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack in > >> production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take their time, > >> freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which features > can't be > >> used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and then > put it > >> up for sale (or download). > >> > >> Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already there! Sort > of > >> ... :-) > >> > >> /rant > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > >> > >> Nux! > >> www.nux.ro > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdi...@gmail.com> > >> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40 > >> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com > > > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky <and...@arhont.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential part of > the > >> >> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for many years > is a > >> >> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion. > >> >> > > >> >> > I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people switching to > >> >> OpenStack because of this problem. > >> >> > >> > > >> > there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground fast to > >> > openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies such as the > >> NFS > >> > as secondary being required, vague support for open source SDN such as > >> > opendaylight, is another > >> > while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, and > being a > >> > big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, it does > lack > >> > some of the higher end features and configuration aspects that are > found > >> in > >> > openstack. Now while I > >> > also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a client be > >> > installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well ahead in > >> > storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost > commercial > >> > solutions. I will credit CS people > >> > for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately even that > >> seems > >> > waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" support > for > >> > openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others pushing turn > key > >> > distros, open source some at that. > >> > I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, but felt > the > >> > lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. Even > openstack > >> > is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight into the > >> > options, and it works well with ceph, gluster, > >> > and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, they are > >> > loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack is > offering > >> > with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their horizons a > bit, > >> and > >> > not appear so short sighted and narrow minded > >> > when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I was running > >> the > >> > product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the > technologies > >> > becoming available, especially Software defined networking, and > software > >> > defined storage. CS is great, but requires > >> > a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on trending > >> > technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and XEN...... a > >> big > >> > win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly closing > >> that > >> > gap. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Can you send links, I am curious ! > >> >> > >> >> thxs > >> >> > >> >> > I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's fantastic > >> >> project and a really great community! > >> >> > > >> >> > Andrei > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > > >> >> >> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM > >> >> >> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> > > >> >> >> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM. > >> >> > > >> >> >> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, that is > the > >> >> >> question now :) > >> >> > > >> >> >> thx folks > >> >> > > >> >> >> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis > >> >> >> <adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in Creedence > >> >> >>> (Xenserver > >> >> >>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release (as should > >> >> >>> NFSv4 and > >> >> >>> a > >> >> >>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization- > >> blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here: > >> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-( > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >> >> >>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08 > >> >> >>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for some time - > >> >> >>> works fine > >> >> >>> more or less :) thx > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk > >> >> >>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> > >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can download > >> >> >>>> alpha of > >> >> >>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for > production. > >> >> >>>> I > >> >> >>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not support > >> >> >>>> RBD > >> >> >>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely right -- > >> >> >>>> first > >> >> >>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need to wait > for > >> >> >>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. There > >> >> >>>> were > >> >> >>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it worked well. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Vadim. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM > >> >> >>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = but the > >> >> >>>> new > >> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using kernel > 3.10.x > >> >> >>>> for > >> >> >>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will need to > >> >> >>>> wait > >> >> >>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ? > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Thanks anyway > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk > >> >> >>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>>> Hi Andrija, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for supported > >> >> >>>>> SR-s > >> >> >>>>> here: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/ > reference.html#ck > >> >> >>>> _reference_storage_repository_types > >> >> >>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD support is > >> >> >>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't find the > >> >> >>>>> link > >> >> >>>>> right away. > >> >> >>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage for > >> >> >>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD storage > >> >> >>>>> type. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Regards, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Vadim. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >> >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM > >> >> >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Hi guys, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage ? > >> >> >>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside > >> >> >>>>> XenServer > >> >> >>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this - thus > >> >> >>>>> the > >> >> >>>>> question. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Thanks, > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Andrija Panić > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> -- > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> Andrija Panić > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Andrija Panić > >> >> >>> > >> >> > > >> >> >> -- > >> >> > > >> >> >> Andrija Panić > >> >> >
