Sorry, will do ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nux!" <n...@li.nux.ro> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 1:10:03 PM > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > Andrei, > There's a thread "LTS Releases" in the dev list, we should continue > this discussion there. > -- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > Nux! > www.nux.ro > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andrei Mikhailovsky" <and...@arhont.com> > > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 13:02:00 > > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > +1 for the LTS releases. Majority of falks in production needs to > > have a stable > > release. > > > > I agree that it will make the release cycle more complex, however, > > if the result > > will improve the stability of the product i think it's worth the > > extra hustle. > > > > Also, it might improve the release times as current releases are > > often delayed > > by many months! > > > > I want to see the CloudStack as the rock solid cloud platform > > rather than a > > bloated oversized sponge full of holes. I am sure a lot of people > > will agree. > > > > Andrei > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> > > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 10:21:55 AM > > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > > > > Those who wants the new features? Those who're not running > > production? > > Labs? > > > > I agree that the idea isn't bulletproof, and might not even be > > possible > > with the way things are, but I do like the thought of LTS. > > > > Erik > > > > On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 10:51:32 AM Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > > > >> Erik, > >> > >> It will complicate release management and it will also attract > >> most of the > >> users.. who will tests the rest of the releases? > >> > >> However as someone who is using CentOS instead of Fedora, I do > >> like the > >> idea. :-) > >> > >> Would be interesting to hear ideas from some of the more hard core > >> devs on > >> this. > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > >> > >> Nux! > >> www.nux.ro > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Erik Weber" <terbol...@gmail.com> > >> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November, 2014 09:34:53 > >> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> > >> > How about a LTS version (basically what 4.3 currently is) that > >> > undergoes > >> > longer testing and receives bugfix releases for a certain amount > >> > of time? > >> > > >> > This is not a true proposal, just venting the idea. I'd even say > >> > that new > >> > features would have to be in one normal release before it's > >> > included in a > >> > LTS release. > >> > > >> > One drawback is that it most likely complicates release > >> > management. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Erik > >> > > >> > On Tue Nov 25 2014 at 2:06:40 AM Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark. > >> >> Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into > >> >> ACS is > >> >> silly. I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think > >> >> there are > >> more > >> >> important things to fix first. > >> >> > >> >> In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development > >> >> on new > >> >> features for a while and made the current features rock solid. > >> >> > >> >> I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would > >> >> otherwise > >> >> slit their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care > >> >> that much > >> for > >> >> S3 compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be > >> >> large > >> >> enough to need that I'll probably have enough money to develop > >> >> them > >> myself > >> >> (and contribute them back). > >> >> > >> >> Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells > >> >> and > >> whistles. > >> >> I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it > >> >> and I > >> >> use(d) it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want > >> >> the bloody > >> >> kitchen sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable > >> >> services > >> for > >> >> my customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said > >> >> features; all > >> they > >> >> want is their application or site to work 24/7. > >> >> > >> >> Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; > >> >> usage > >> stats > >> >> working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, > >> >> security > >> >> groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI > >> >> mistakes > >> or > >> >> typos in new releases and so on. > >> >> > >> >> Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! > >> >> Everybody > >> >> pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, > >> >> effort and > >> >> money to get working, if at all. > >> >> Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't > >> >> use > >> >> Gentoo, Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use > >> >> battle > >> tested > >> >> stuff like CentOS or Ubuntu LTS. > >> >> > >> >> For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack > >> >> in > >> >> production companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take > >> >> their time, > >> >> freeze it, slow it the fsck down, polish it, decide which > >> >> features > >> can't be > >> >> used actually (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and > >> >> then > >> put it > >> >> up for sale (or download). > >> >> > >> >> Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already > >> >> there! Sort > >> of > >> >> ... :-) > >> >> > >> >> /rant > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > >> >> > >> >> Nux! > >> >> www.nux.ro > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdi...@gmail.com> > >> >> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> > Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40 > >> >> > Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen > >> >> > <run...@gmail.com > >> > > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky > >> >> >> <and...@arhont.com> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential > >> >> >> > part of > >> the > >> >> >> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for > >> >> >> many years > >> is a > >> >> >> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people > >> >> >> > switching to > >> >> >> OpenStack because of this problem. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground > >> >> > fast to > >> >> > openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies > >> >> > such as the > >> >> NFS > >> >> > as secondary being required, vague support for open source > >> >> > SDN such as > >> >> > opendaylight, is another > >> >> > while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, > >> >> > and > >> being a > >> >> > big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, > >> >> > it does > >> lack > >> >> > some of the higher end features and configuration aspects > >> >> > that are > >> found > >> >> in > >> >> > openstack. Now while I > >> >> > also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a > >> >> > client be > >> >> > installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well > >> >> > ahead in > >> >> > storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost > >> commercial > >> >> > solutions. I will credit CS people > >> >> > for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately > >> >> > even that > >> >> seems > >> >> > waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" > >> >> > support > >> for > >> >> > openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others > >> >> > pushing turn > >> key > >> >> > distros, open source some at that. > >> >> > I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, > >> >> > but felt > >> the > >> >> > lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. > >> >> > Even > >> openstack > >> >> > is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight > >> >> > into the > >> >> > options, and it works well with ceph, gluster, > >> >> > and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, > >> >> > they are > >> >> > loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack > >> >> > is > >> offering > >> >> > with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their > >> >> > horizons a > >> bit, > >> >> and > >> >> > not appear so short sighted and narrow minded > >> >> > when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I > >> >> > was running > >> >> the > >> >> > product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the > >> technologies > >> >> > becoming available, especially Software defined networking, > >> >> > and > >> software > >> >> > defined storage. CS is great, but requires > >> >> > a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on > >> >> > trending > >> >> > technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and > >> >> > XEN...... a > >> >> big > >> >> > win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly > >> >> > closing > >> >> that > >> >> > gap. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Can you send links, I am curious ! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> thxs > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's > >> >> >> > fantastic > >> >> >> project and a really great community! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Andrei > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >> >> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM > >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, > >> >> >> >> that is > >> the > >> >> >> >> question now :) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> thx folks > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis > >> >> >> >> <adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk> > >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in > >> >> >> >>> Creedence > >> >> >> >>> (Xenserver > >> >> >> >>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release > >> >> >> >>> (as should > >> >> >> >>> NFSv4 and > >> >> >> >>> a > >> >> >> >>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at: > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization- > >> >> blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here: > >> >> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-( > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >> >> >> >>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08 > >> >> >> >>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >> >>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for > >> >> >> >>> some time - > >> >> >> >>> works fine > >> >> >> >>> more or less :) thx > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk > >> >> >> >>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> > >> >> >> >>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can > >> >> >> >>>> download > >> >> >> >>>> alpha of > >> >> >> >>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for > >> production. > >> >> >> >>>> I > >> >> >> >>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not > >> >> >> >>>> support > >> >> >> >>>> RBD > >> >> >> >>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely > >> >> >> >>>> right -- > >> >> >> >>>> first > >> >> >> >>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need > >> >> >> >>>> to wait > >> for > >> >> >> >>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. > >> >> >> >>>> There > >> >> >> >>>> were > >> >> >> >>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it > >> >> >> >>>> worked well. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Vadim. > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >> >> >> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM > >> >> >> >>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = > >> >> >> >>>> but the > >> >> >> >>>> new > >> >> >> >>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using > >> >> >> >>>> kernel > >> 3.10.x > >> >> >> >>>> for > >> >> >> >>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will > >> >> >> >>>> need to > >> >> >> >>>> wait > >> >> >> >>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ? > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Thanks anyway > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk > >> >> >> >>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> > >> >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Hi Andrija, > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for > >> >> >> >>>>> supported > >> >> >> >>>>> SR-s > >> >> >> >>>>> here: > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/ > >> reference.html#ck > >> >> >> >>>> _reference_storage_repository_types > >> >> >> >>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD > >> >> >> >>>>> support is > >> >> >> >>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't > >> >> >> >>>>> find the > >> >> >> >>>>> link > >> >> >> >>>>> right away. > >> >> >> >>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage > >> >> >> >>>>> for > >> >> >> >>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD > >> >> >> >>>>> storage > >> >> >> >>>>> type. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Regards, > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Vadim. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> >>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] > >> >> >> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM > >> >> >> >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org > >> >> >> >>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Hi guys, > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage > >> >> >> >>>>> ? > >> >> >> >>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside > >> >> >> >>>>> XenServer > >> >> >> >>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this > >> >> >> >>>>> - thus > >> >> >> >>>>> the > >> >> >> >>>>> question. > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Thanks, > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>>> Andrija Panić > >> >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> -- > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>>> Andrija Panić > >> >> >> >>>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> Andrija Panić > >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Andrija Panić > >> >> >>
