+1 loved your email Lucian! > On 25-Nov-2014, at 6:35 am, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote: > > Slightly pissed at the "switched to Openstack" remark. > Using Openstack as a means to "force/suggest" new features into ACS is silly. > I also want KVM snapshotting to happen, but I think there are more important > things to fix first. > > In my personal view, I wish ACS stopped completely development on new > features for a while and made the current features rock solid. > > I know we need new features to keep developers happy who would otherwise slit > their veins from boredom, but I personally do not care that much for S3 > compatibility or SDN or what not. When my deployment will be large enough to > need that I'll probably have enough money to develop them myself (and > contribute them back). > > Most people do not need FreeIPA or who knows what other bells and whistles. > I do like Openstack, I know & like some people involved with it and I use(d) > it (was even a mod on the RDO forum), but I don't want the bloody kitchen > sink in my servers. I want peace of mind and reliable services for my > customers who also don't give a rat's arse about said features; all they want > is their application or site to work 24/7. > > Personally I want everything that we have NOW fixed, polished; usage stats > working (with SG zones), proper backup and restore of volumes, security > groups finalised (hello IPv6, it's almost 2015!), no silly GUI mistakes or > typos in new releases and so on. > > Competing with Openstack head on is a dead end, stop chasing! Everybody > pushes all sorts of stuff into it which takes a lot of time, effort and money > to get working, if at all. > Average Joe will not use that in production, just like he won't use Gentoo, > Fedora or Archlinux in production, it sucks; you use battle tested stuff like > CentOS or Ubuntu LTS. > > For Average "IT manager" Joe to be capable of using Openstack in production > companies like Mirantis or eNovance need to take their time, freeze it, slow > it the fsck down, polish it, decide which features can't be used actually > (many, I bet!), package it in a sexy wrapping and then put it up for sale (or > download). > > Basically they'll have to build a Cloudstack. We're already there! Sort of > ... :-) > > /rant > > -- > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology! > > Nux! > www.nux.ro > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Outback Dingo" <outbackdi...@gmail.com> >> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 22:15:40 >> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? > >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, Andrei Mikhailovsky <and...@arhont.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, agree! Proper snapshotting is a must and an essential part of the >>> cloud in my world. Having this feature broken in KVM for many years is a >>> big blow to CloudStack in my opinion. >>>> >>>> I am already seeing on blogs and mailing lists people switching to >>> OpenStack because of this problem. >>> >> >> there are many aspects of which cloustack is loosing ground fast to >> openstack. Even Ive moved away from CS due to deficiencies such as the NFS >> as secondary being required, vague support for open source SDN such as >> opendaylight, is another >> while CS is nice and quite easy to install, and get working, and being a >> big XEN fan, CS made it clean and simply to deploy, however, it does lack >> some of the higher end features and configuration aspects that are found in >> openstack. Now while I >> also find openstack to be very KVM aligned, as it requires a client be >> installed on XEN, where CS doesnt, Openstack has moved well ahead in >> storage and networking options, not boxing me in to high cost commercial >> solutions. I will credit CS people >> for great support in the past years over IRC, though lately even that seems >> waning, as as such there also seems to be more "commercial" support for >> openstack with the likes of mirantis, ibm, hp and others pushing turn key >> distros, open source some at that. >> I did love the simplicity of CS and XEN as a configuration, but felt the >> lacking in areas of "integration" with other technologies. Even openstack >> is working to integrate the freeIpa system, and opendaylight into the >> options, and it works well with ceph, gluster, >> and other storage systems. CS is simple, and in being that, they are >> loosing ground fast to the expansive capabilities openstack is offering >> with their latest release. I wish CS would expand their horizons a bit, and >> not appear so short sighted and narrow minded >> when it came to its offerings and integration. I know if I was running the >> product line currently I would be aligning CS with all the technologies >> becoming available, especially Software defined networking, and software >> defined storage. CS is great, but requires >> a larger feature set, more integration and further vision on trending >> technologies, yet it is just damn simple to install CS and XEN...... a big >> win there for CS, though Fuel and Helion appear to be quickly closing that >> gap. >> >> >> >>> >>> Can you send links, I am curious ! >>> >>> thxs >>> >>>> I hate to see people leaving CloudStack as I think it's fantastic >>> project and a really great community! >>>> >>>> Andrei >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >>>>> From: "Andrija Panic" <andrija.pa...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2014 8:33:56 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>> >>>>> So no CEPH support fot Xen, and no VM snapshot for KVM. >>>> >>>>> So, should I shoot my self with gun or with the pistol, that is the >>>>> question now :) >>>> >>>>> thx folks >>>> >>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 18:01, Adrian Lewis >>>>> <adr...@alsiconsulting.co.uk> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> From what I've read there won’t be support for Ceph in Creedence >>>>>> (Xenserver >>>>>> 6.5) but it is on the cards for the following release (as should >>>>>> NFSv4 and >>>>>> a >>>>>> Centos 7 dom0). There's a blog post from Tim Mackey at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> http://xenserver.org/discuss-virtualization/virtualization-blog/entry/beyond-creedence-xenserver-2015-planning.html >>>>>> >>>>>> and a Youtube video with a few updates here: >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFUkEfpXaQ >>>>>> >>>>>> All looks promising but I'm impatient :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: 24 November 2014 15:08 >>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>> >>>>>> THx Vadim - yes, I'm already using KVM with ceph for some time - >>>>>> works fine >>>>>> more or less :) thx >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:52, Vadim Kimlaychuk >>>>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 (or 7.0) is not released yet. You can download >>>>>>> alpha of >>>>>>> next release and try it, but it is definately not for production. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> haven't personally tried it because Cloudstack does not support >>>>>>> RBD >>>>>>> storage type for XenServer yet. So you are absolutely right -- >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> we need to wait for XenServer to release then we need to wait for >>>>>>> Cloudstack to implement those changes at backend. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have used Ceph with KVM hypervisor for a short while. There >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> some points that I was not aware, but in general it worked well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vadim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 4:22 PM >>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HI Vadim, thanks for info. That is what I understood = but the >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> XenServer 6.5 or whatever the name, shoudl be using kernel 3.10.x >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> dom0, so I guess even after that is supported, we will need to >>>>>>> wait >>>>>>> some time for the CloudStack implementation on this ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks anyway >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 November 2014 at 15:00, Vadim Kimlaychuk >>>>>>> <vadim.kimlayc...@elion.ee> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Andrija, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For XenServer 6.2 it is not possible yet. Look for supported >>>>>>>> SR-s >>>>>>>> here: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> http://docs.vmd.citrix.com/XenServer/6.2.0/1.0/en_gb/reference.html#ck >>>>>>> _reference_storage_repository_types >>>>>>>> Somewhere in internet I saw information that RBD support is >>>>>>>> scheduled for the next major XenServer release. Can't find the >>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>> right away. >>>>>>>> The problem connected to Ceph + RBD as primary storage for >>>>>>>> XenServer is old dom0 kernel that does not allow RBD storage >>>>>>>> type. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vadim. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Andrija Panic [mailto:andrija.pa...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:06 PM >>>>>>>> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org >>>>>>>> Subject: Xenserver and CEPH ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anyone running ZenServer with CEPH as primary storage ? >>>>>>>> I read some info that there is support for CEPH inside >>>>>>>> XenServer >>>>>>>> from last year - but since I never actually tried this - thus >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> question. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrija Panić >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Andrija Panić >>>
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