Microsoft used to offer the core fonts as a free download from their website. They no longer do, which makes me wonder if they have withdrawn any freedom in the licensing of them.
I should have clarified that to get the most from the Linux Libertine fonts, one must use the “G” version, i.e., Linux Libertine G. They work best with the typographic toolbar extension. See, http://www.numbertext.org/linux/fontfeatures.pdf and http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/typo. Virgil From: Tom Davies Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 8:00 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; Info/UX Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Hi :) There used to be a package called something like "ms core fonts" which had arial, times new roman, trebuchet, verdana and maybe a couple other things. I must have got the name a bit wrong because i cna't find it in my package manager now. I've copied across a few fonts from Ubuntu to Windows but i should really find a way of being more consistent one day to get all machines on both networks the same as each other. Possibly 1 folder on the file-share and then just drag&drop Regards from Tom :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> To: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:33 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? I think you've got a good process there. Fonts! It's one problem I see with interaction between Linux and Windows. I have a dual boot Windows/Linux laptop, and the font issue is a constant problem. I've found that many Windows fonts install quite nicely into Linux, but I do want to respect copyrights and licenses, so I tend to use free fonts as much as possible. The URW collection of free fonts is quite nice, as is Linux Libertine, which has some really nice expert effects (old style numbering, true small caps, etc.). Another great free font for book-style work is OFL Sorts Mill Goudy. Virgil -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:20 PM To: Virgil Arrington Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? Thanks a lot for that, Virgil. Based on the information you and Tom have provided, my workflow will go: .ott (with paragraph and page styles) --> .odt (copy and paste .doc content, load style from template, format, save) --> export to PDF --> save as .doc --> send to MS computer --> Manually clean up any problems. I think this should be fine, if a little involved. All the fonts I need are standard MS stuff, which I have installed. I'll spare you the horror stories about preparing a nice document in LO using DejaVU fonts and then later opening in a new*ish* version of MS Word. ;-) Thanks again for the time you took. Think I can get to work now. Regards, Ryan On 26/08/13 23:59, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Before answering your question, I did a little test. I loaded a simple > .odt two page document in LO. It has some basic paragraph styles, and a > few outline styles with automatic numbering, along with a footer with a > page number. Basic stuff. > > I then saved the document as a .doc (Word 2003). I loaded it into the Word > Starter Version that came with my Sony Laptop, and it converted *almost* > perfectly. There was only a slight deviation in my outline numbering. LO > adds more horizontal space after an automatic number, whereas Word adds a > <tab> character. When converting the document, LO added a <tab> and > adjusted the extra horizontal space, but there was still an ever so slight > difference in the lining up of the text. It would only bother an obsessive > person like me. > > The page formatting and footer with page number translated perfectly. > > I'm using LO 3.6.7 and I must say that it's .doc translation is extremely > good, much better than I remember from previous versions. > > Virgil > > -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 6:40 PM > To: Virgil Arrington > Cc: Tom Davies ; users@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to > other software/formats? > > Thanks, Virgil. > > My documents are similar to yours. One last question then I'll give you > guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with page size "letter" > and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't need anything more > intricate than that. > > Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have Linux at home so will > probably stick with LO. > > Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. > > Regards, > Ryan > > On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms of formatting. Typically, >> they are either legal or academic style papers. I'm a heavy user of >> paragraph styles and won't work without them. >> >> I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and then at the end convert to >> .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph styles, but I would avoid LO >> specific methods. >> >> Another option is a shareware word processor called Atlantis. It's a >> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no ribbon) with a $35.00 >> registration. I often use it when Word compatibility is paramount. It >> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I honestly don't know why MS >> hasn't sued them, it's that close. It doesn't support tables, but other >> than that, it will handle simple formats very well and will produce a >> result that Word should read fairly well. >> >> Virgil >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM >> To: Tom Davies >> Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to >> other software/formats? >> >> Thanks, Tom, Virgil. >> >> If I wanted to use different text body styles throughout I would >> probably have made new styles and called them text body 1, 2, etc. >> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this case. But I have created my >> simple template with basic paragraph and page styles. >> >> So, in trying to process the information in both of your replies, I feel >> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS formats (.docx, but .doc if >> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's special features (even so, >> I'd rather use styles than format everything manually), (2) Start a >> blank .odt and copy and paste my article content and load the styles >> from my template and save to doc later (and maybe then to docx on a >> windows machine). >> >> Which method do you think would give the best results? The priority is >> for the finished pieces to look consistent in MS Word... and also allow >> other people to edit the .docs in Word with minimal quirky things going >> on. >> >> Thanks for all this advice. >> >> Regards, >> Ryan >> >> On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: >>> Hi :) >>> If you can use MS Office to do some final proof-reading then you are >>> unlikely to have any problems. >>> >>> We have been assuming that is not possible and that would make the final >>> outcome uncertain. Being able to quickly scroll through before sending >>> it out into the world kinda eliminates that uncertainty. >>> >>> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt format and then at the end >>> convert to Doc format then you should find that there are no surprises. >>> >>> >>> Virgil seems to be talking about a very specific set of styles or method >>> of using styles. He is talking about changing styles (such as changing >>> the font of "text body") on different pages within the same document. >>> If you need to do that it might be worth creating duplicates of the >>> styles and then modifying the duplicates? I'm not sure how to deal with >>> that but Virgil has probably found a work-around if needed. >>> >>> >>> I would keep copies of photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts >>> just in case you do run into problems. LO does have an extremely rare >>> intermittent bug that is difficult to pin down but seems to be getting >>> rarer and rarer as code clean-up goes on. You know that you can rename >>> files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip and then double-click to see the Xml >>> coding inside along with folders for various things such as images. >>> Sometimes it can be a neat way to fix problems but it's a bit risky. >>> The Xml tags and such are very different in the 2 formats so just >>> renaming .Odt to .DocX might create fairly serious problems. Stick with >>> the "Save As ...". the Doc format doesn't open in that way and doesn't >>> hold images in an image format which is another reason i suggest keeping >>> a copy of images nearby. >>> >>> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious things happen during the >>> course of a Word document. So to save myself a lot of time i tend to >>> start with a fresh new Odt and then use >>> Ctrl Shift v >>> to paste in "unformatted text" and then apply styles (and maybe modfied >>> the styles after to watch the mod ripple through the document). >>> Occasionally i have wanted to "just do something quickly" and then been >>> frustrated by some weird bit of insane MS formatting that just keeps >>> throwing up problems until i relent and do the "start again from >>> scratch" approach which has then typically taken just a few minutes even >>> if the problem seemed intractable. >>> >>> Regards from >>> Tom :) >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> >>> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org >>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 >>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported >>> to other software/formats? >>> >>> Thanks, Virgil. >>> >>> I can probably alter any lists when I work in an MS environment at the >>> final stage of formatting. >>> >>> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering if I use slightly more >>> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my results whether it would >>> cause more problems when working in Word. I am trying to keep the >>> process relatively simple. The articles only need to have consistent >>> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page break for the bibliographies. I >>> have starting created a LibreOffice template with customised paragraph >>> styles and some changes to the page style. I was planning to apply this >>> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my formatting would transfer to >>> Word, I don't mind making some manual adjustments at that stage. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ryan >>> >>> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: >>> > In my experience, most paragraph styles tend to translate well to >>> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had problems with the alignment of >>> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO and MSW seem to align them >>> > differently. >>> > >>> > One bigger difference, however, is the way the two formats handle >>> page >>> > formatting. LO uses page styles to change formatting from one page to >>> > another, whereas Word does not. It uses section breaks to make such >>> > page formatting changes, and I've found discrepancies in translating >>> > page formatting between the two. >>> > >>> > Virgil >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Info/UX >>> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM >>> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org >>> <mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org> >>> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to >>> > other software/formats? >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Apologies if this is a basic question. I've been given some >>> documents to >>> > format according to certain style guidelines. The files are mostly >>> .docx >>> > and .doc and must be sent off in this format. I work only with >>> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I format the articles using >>> paragraph >>> > and page styles rather than just directly changing the format in the >>> > body of the document, will the formatting be maintained when the >>> > documents are opened in MS Office? I am not concerned with small >>> > discrepancies that can be tweaked later on, rather whether this >>> method >>> > of formatting generally transfers well. Again, sorry if it's a silly >>> > question. >>> > >>> > Many thanks. >>> > Ryan >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >>> <mailto:unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org> >>> Problems? >>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >>> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >>> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >>> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >>> deleted >>> >>> >> >> > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
