and from the 10C ... we have the definitions ;-)
The cubit was the length of the arm [Henry I's] from the tip of the finger
to the elbow; this then subdivided into shorter units as the foot, hand (at
4 inches used for expressing the height of horses) finger; added together
made longer units as the stride.
The yard would be "the distance from the tip of the King's nose to the end
of his outstretched thumb".
BTW - just what is A4 - curiously wondering;
here, we use 8-1/2" X 11" or legally speaking 16" X 11"
from the peanut-gallery's historical corner ;-)
BTW 2 - just what is this metric system which the English Kings seem
to be using now days ;-)
yet they still drive on the left ;-)
From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?
To: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>, Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
A unit of measurement in what is commonly known as the “English” system.
Virgil
From: Tom Davies
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:44 PM
To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?
Hi :)
What's an inch?
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?
Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-)
Ryan
On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote:
When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is
8.5 by 11 inches?
>
> Virgil
> From: Tom Davies
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM
> To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
> Hi :)
> Good point about using US-letter! That might make the
>
biggest difference!
>
> Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US
>
and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still
fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That
might make more difference than which method you use.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________**__
> From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
>
>
> Thanks, Virgil.
>
> My documents are similar to yours. One last question
>
then I'll give you
> guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with
>
page size "letter"
> and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't
>
need anything more
> intricate than that.
>
> Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have
>
Linux at home so will
> probably stick with LO.
>
> Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot.
>
> Regards,
> Ryan
>
> On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
>> My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms
>>
> of formatting.
> Typically, they are either legal or academic
>>
> style papers. I'm a heavy
> user of paragraph styles and won't work without
>>
> them.
>
>> I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and
>>
> then at the end convert
> to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph
>>
> styles, but I would avoid
> LO specific methods.
>>
>> Another option is a shareware word processor
>>
> called Atlantis. It's a
> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no
>>
> ribbon) with a $35.00
> registration. I often use it when Word
>>
> compatibility is paramount. It
> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I
>>
> honestly don't know why
> MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It
>>
> doesn't support tables, but
> other than that, it will handle simple formats
>>
> very well and will
> produce a result that Word should read fairly
>>
> well.
>
>> Virgil
>>
>> From: Info/UX
>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM
>> To: Tom Davies
>> Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice
>>
> paragraph styles exported
> to other software/formats?
>>
>> Thanks, Tom, Virgil.
>>
>> If I wanted to use different text body styles
>>
> throughout I would
> probably have made new styles and called them
>>
> text body 1, 2, etc.
> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this
>>
> case. But I have created my
> simple template with basic paragraph and page
>>
> styles.
>
>> So, in trying to process the information in
>>
> both of your replies, I feel
> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS
>>
> formats (.docx, but .doc if
> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's
>>
> special features (even so,
> I'd rather use styles than format everything
>>
> manually), (2) Start a
> blank .odt and copy and paste my article
>>
> content and load the styles
> from my template and save to doc later (and
>>
> maybe then to docx on a
> windows machine).
>>
>> Which method do you think would give the best
>>
> results? The priority is
> for the finished pieces to look consistent in
>>
> MS Word... and also allow
> other people to edit the .docs in Word with
>>
> minimal quirky things
> going on.
>>
>> Thanks for all this advice.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ryan
>>
>> On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> If you can use MS Office to do some final
>>>
>> proof-reading then you are
> unlikely to have any problems.
>>>
>>> We have been assuming that is not possible
>>>
>> and that would make the
> final outcome uncertain. Being able to
>>>
>> quickly scroll through before
> sending it out into the world kinda
>>>
>> eliminates that uncertainty.
>
>>> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt
>>>
>> format and then at the
> end convert to Doc format then you should
>>>
>> find that there are no
> surprises.
>>>
>>>
>>> Virgil seems to be talking about a very
>>>
>> specific set of styles or
> method of using styles. He is talking
>>>
>> about changing styles (such as
> changing the font of "text body") on
>>>
>> different pages within the same
> document. If you need to do that it might
>>>
>> be worth creating
> duplicates of the styles and then modifying
>>>
>> the duplicates? I'm not
> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has
>>>
>> probably found a
> work-around if needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would keep copies of
>>>
>> photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts
> just in case you do run into problems. LO
>>>
>> does have an extremely
> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to
>>>
>> pin down but seems to be
> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up
>>>
>> goes on. You know that you
> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip
>>>
>> and then double-click to
> see the Xml coding inside along with
>>>
>> folders for various things such
> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way
>>>
>> to fix problems but it's a
> bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very
>>>
>> different in the 2 formats
> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create
>>>
>> fairly serious problems.
> Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc
>>>
>> format doesn't open in that
> way and doesn't hold images in an image
>>>
>> format which is another
> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images
>>>
>> nearby.
>
>>> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious
>>>
>> things happen during the
> course of a Word document. So to save
>>>
>> myself a lot of time i tend to
> start with a fresh new Odt and then use
>>> Ctrl Shift v
>>> to paste in "unformatted text" and then
>>>
>> apply styles (and maybe
> modfied the styles after to watch the mod
>>>
>> ripple through the
> document). Occasionally i have wanted to
>>>
>> "just do something quickly"
> and then been frustrated by some weird bit
>>>
>> of insane MS formatting
> that just keeps throwing up problems until
>>>
>> i relent and do the "start
> again from scratch" approach which has then
>>>
>> typically taken just a
> few minutes even if the problem seemed
>>>
>> intractable.
>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**
------------------------------**------------
> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
>>> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users]
>>>
>> LibreOffice paragraph styles
> exported to other software/formats?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Virgil.
>>>
>>> I can probably alter any lists when I work
>>>
>> in an MS environment at the
> final stage of formatting.
>>>
>>> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering
>>>
>> if I use slightly more
> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my
>>>
>> results whether it would
> cause more problems when working in Word. I
>>>
>> am trying to keep the
> process relatively simple. The articles
>>>
>> only need to have consistent
> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page
>>>
>> break for the bibliographies. I
> have starting created a LibreOffice
>>>
>> template with customised paragraph
> styles and some changes to the page style.
>>>
>> I was planning to apply this
> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my
>>>
>> formatting would transfer to
> Word, I don't mind making some manual
>>>
>> adjustments at that stage.
>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>> > In my experience, most paragraph
>>>
>> styles tend to translate well to
> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had
>>>
>> problems with the alignment of
> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO
>>>
>> and MSW seem to align them
> > differently.
>>> >
>>> > One bigger difference, however, is the
>>>
>> way the two formats handle page
> > formatting. LO uses page styles to
>>>
>> change formatting from one page to
> > another, whereas Word does not. It
>>>
>> uses section breaks to make such
> > page formatting changes, and I've
>>>
>> found discrepancies in translating
> > page formatting between the two.
>>> >
>>> > Virgil
>>> >
>>> > From: Info/UX
>>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
>>> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.**
>>> libreoffice.org <users@global.libreoffice.org>>
>>> > Subject: [libreoffice-users]
>>>
>> LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> > other software/formats?
>>> >
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > Apologies if this is a basic question.
>>>
>> I've been given some
> documents to
>>> > format according to certain style
>>>
>> guidelines. The files are mostly
> .docx
>>> > and .doc and must be sent off in this
>>>
>> format. I work only with
> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I
>>>
>> format the articles using paragraph
> > and page styles rather than just
>>>
>> directly changing the format in the
> > body of the document, will the
>>>
>> formatting be maintained when the
> > documents are opened in MS Office? I
>>>
>> am not concerned with small
> > discrepancies that can be tweaked
>>>
>> later on, rather whether this method
> > of formatting generally transfers
>>>
>> well. Again, sorry if it's a silly
> > question.
>>> >
>>> > Many thanks.
>>> > Ryan
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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