Hi :) I think we just dig up Henry I don't we? Initially i thought it odd that the US would use a system that no-one else still uses and call it "the English system" when "the English" are now all metric and the US are so proud of their independence! However i then "half inched" my neighbours milk but honest guv i will walk the hundred yards to the newsagents later to buy a pint to repay him.
Hmmm, suddenly realised we use both systems. Regards from Tom :) ________________________________ From: anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com> To: Dries Feys <dries.f...@tvh.com> Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org> Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 16:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to other software/formats? So the metric-users weren't satisfied with the first 4 attempts ;-) Wow, the old-English-system has stood the test of time better ;-) BTW - when there's a queen rather than a king, whose body parts are used ;-) from the peanut-gallery's goofy section, On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Dries Feys <dries.f...@tvh.com> wrote: AFAIK, the inch is the English equivalent of the old continents > "duim", which is still used by plumbers and electricians. "duim" is > Dutch for "thumb", and is the width of the thumb. > > About A4, I read on wikipedia, A0 is exactly 1m², where side A and B > compare to eachother by sqrt(2) (1.404). A1 is the half of A0,... A4 > is the half of A3,... > > Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, > > DRIES FEYS > CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer > T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com > > TVH GROUP NV > Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM > T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com > > > On 27 August 2013 16:41, anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > and from the 10C ... we have the definitions ;-) > > > > The cubit was the length of the arm [Henry I's] from the tip of the > finger > > to the elbow; this then subdivided into shorter units as the foot, hand > (at > > 4 inches used for expressing the height of horses) finger; added together > > made longer units as the stride. > > The yard would be "the distance from the tip of the King's nose to the > end > > of his outstretched thumb". > > > > BTW - just what is A4 - curiously wondering; > > here, we use 8-1/2" X 11" or legally speaking 16" X > 11" > > > > from the peanut-gallery's historical corner ;-) > > > > BTW 2 - just what is this metric system which the English Kings > seem > > to be using now days ;-) > > yet they still drive on the left ;-) > > > > > > > > From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> > > Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to > > other software/formats? > > To: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>, Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> > > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org > > > > > > A unit of measurement in what is commonly known as the “English” system. > > > > Virgil > > > > > > > > From: Tom Davies > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:44 PM > > To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington > > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to > > other software/formats? > > > > Hi :) > > What's an inch? > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > > > From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> > > To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> > > Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22 > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to > > other software/formats? > > > > > > Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-) > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > > > When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is > > 8.5 by 11 inches? > > > >> > >> Virgil > >> From: Tom Davies > >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM > >> To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington > >> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org > >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported > to > >> other software/formats? > >> Hi :) > >> Good point about using US-letter! That might make the > >> > > biggest difference! > > > >> > >> Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US > >> > > and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still > > fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That > > might make more difference than which method you use. > > > >> Regards from > >> Tom :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**__ > >> From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> > >> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> > >> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org > >> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 > >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported > to > >> other software/formats? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, Virgil. > >> > >> My documents are similar to yours. One last question > >> > > then I'll give you > > > >> guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with > >> > > page size "letter" > > > >> and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't > >> > > need anything more > > > >> intricate than that. > >> > >> Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have > >> > > Linux at home so will > > > >> probably stick with LO. > >> > >> Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Ryan > >> > >> On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >> > >>> My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms > >>> > >> of formatting. > > > >> Typically, they are either legal or academic > >>> > >> style papers. I'm a heavy > > > >> user of paragraph styles and won't work without > >>> > >> them. > > > >> > >>> I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and > >>> > >> then at the end convert > > > >> to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph > >>> > >> styles, but I would avoid > > > >> LO specific methods. > >>> > >>> Another option is a shareware word processor > >>> > >> called Atlantis. It's a > > > >> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no > >>> > >> ribbon) with a $35.00 > > > >> registration. I often use it when Word > >>> > >> compatibility is paramount. It > > > >> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I > >>> > >> honestly don't know why > > > >> MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It > >>> > >> doesn't support tables, but > > > >> other than that, it will handle simple formats > >>> > >> very well and will > > > >> produce a result that Word should read fairly > >>> > >> well. > > > >> > >>> Virgil > >>> > >>> From: Info/UX > >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM > >>> To: Tom Davies > >>> Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org > >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice > >>> > >> paragraph styles exported > > > >> to other software/formats? > >>> > >>> Thanks, Tom, Virgil. > >>> > >>> If I wanted to use different text body styles > >>> > >> throughout I would > > > >> probably have made new styles and called them > >>> > >> text body 1, 2, etc. > > > >> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this > >>> > >> case. But I have created my > > > >> simple template with basic paragraph and page > >>> > >> styles. > > > >> > >>> So, in trying to process the information in > >>> > >> both of your replies, I feel > > > >> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS > >>> > >> formats (.docx, but .doc if > > > >> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's > >>> > >> special features (even so, > > > >> I'd rather use styles than format everything > >>> > >> manually), (2) Start a > > > >> blank .odt and copy and paste my article > >>> > >> content and load the styles > > > >> from my template and save to doc later (and > >>> > >> maybe then to docx on a > > > >> windows machine). > >>> > >>> Which method do you think would give the best > >>> > >> results? The priority is > > > >> for the finished pieces to look consistent in > >>> > >> MS Word... and also allow > > > >> other people to edit the .docs in Word with > >>> > >> minimal quirky things > > > >> going on. > >>> > >>> Thanks for all this advice. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Ryan > >>> > >>> On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi :) > >>>> If you can use MS Office to do some final > >>>> > >>> proof-reading then you are > > > >> unlikely to have any problems. > >>>> > >>>> We have been assuming that is not possible > >>>> > >>> and that would make the > > > >> final outcome uncertain. Being able to > >>>> > >>> quickly scroll through before > > > >> sending it out into the world kinda > >>>> > >>> eliminates that uncertainty. > > > >> > >>>> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt > >>>> > >>> format and then at the > > > >> end convert to Doc format then you should > >>>> > >>> find that there are no > > > >> surprises. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Virgil seems to be talking about a very > >>>> > >>> specific set of styles or > > > >> method of using styles. He is talking > >>>> > >>> about changing styles (such as > > > >> changing the font of "text body") on > >>>> > >>> different pages within the same > > > >> document. If you need to do that it might > >>>> > >>> be worth creating > > > >> duplicates of the styles and then modifying > >>>> > >>> the duplicates? I'm not > > > >> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has > >>>> > >>> probably found a > > > >> work-around if needed. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I would keep copies of > >>>> > >>> photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts > > > >> just in case you do run into problems. LO > >>>> > >>> does have an extremely > > > >> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to > >>>> > >>> pin down but seems to be > > > >> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up > >>>> > >>> goes on. You know that you > > > >> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip > >>>> > >>> and then double-click to > > > >> see the Xml coding inside along with > >>>> > >>> folders for various things such > > > >> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way > >>>> > >>> to fix problems but it's a > > > >> bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very > >>>> > >>> different in the 2 formats > > > >> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create > >>>> > >>> fairly serious problems. > > > >> Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc > >>>> > >>> format doesn't open in that > > > >> way and doesn't hold images in an image > >>>> > >>> format which is another > > > >> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images > >>>> > >>> nearby. > > > >> > >>>> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious > >>>> > >>> things happen during the > > > >> course of a Word document. So to save > >>>> > >>> myself a lot of time i tend to > > > >> start with a fresh new Odt and then use > >>>> Ctrl Shift v > >>>> to paste in "unformatted text" and then > >>>> > >>> apply styles (and maybe > > > >> modfied the styles after to watch the mod > >>>> > >>> ripple through the > > > >> document). Occasionally i have wanted to > >>>> > >>> "just do something quickly" > > > >> and then been frustrated by some weird bit > >>>> > >>> of insane MS formatting > > > >> that just keeps throwing up problems until > >>>> > >>> i relent and do the "start > > > >> again from scratch" approach which has then > >>>> > >>> typically taken just a > > > >> few minutes even if the problem seemed > >>>> > >>> intractable. > > > >> > >>>> Regards from > >>>> Tom :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------** > > ------------------------------**------------ > > > >> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> > >>>> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> > >>>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org > >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 > >>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] > >>>> > >>> LibreOffice paragraph styles > > > >> exported to other software/formats? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, Virgil. > >>>> > >>>> I can probably alter any lists when I work > >>>> > >>> in an MS environment at the > > > >> final stage of formatting. > >>>> > >>>> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering > >>>> > >>> if I use slightly more > > > >> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my > >>>> > >>> results whether it would > > > >> cause more problems when working in Word. I > >>>> > >>> am trying to keep the > > > >> process relatively simple. The articles > >>>> > >>> only need to have consistent > > > >> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page > >>>> > >>> break for the bibliographies. I > > > >> have starting created a LibreOffice > >>>> > >>> template with customised paragraph > > > >> styles and some changes to the page style. > >>>> > >>> I was planning to apply this > > > >> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my > >>>> > >>> formatting would transfer to > > > >> Word, I don't mind making some manual > >>>> > >>> adjustments at that stage. > > > >> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Ryan > >>>> > >>>> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >>>> > In my experience, most paragraph > >>>> > >>> styles tend to translate well to > > > >> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had > >>>> > >>> problems with the alignment of > > > >> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO > >>>> > >>> and MSW seem to align them > > > >> > differently. > >>>> > > >>>> > One bigger difference, however, is the > >>>> > >>> way the two formats handle page > > > >> > formatting. LO uses page styles to > >>>> > >>> change formatting from one page to > > > >> > another, whereas Word does not. It > >>>> > >>> uses section breaks to make such > > > >> > page formatting changes, and I've > >>>> > >>> found discrepancies in translating > > > >> > page formatting between the two. > >>>> > > >>>> > Virgil > >>>> > > >>>> > From: Info/UX > >>>> > >>> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM > >>>> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.** > >>>> libreoffice.org <users@global.libreoffice.org>> > >>>> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] > >>>> > >>> LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to > > > >> > other software/formats? > >>>> > > >>>> > Hello, > >>>> > > >>>> > Apologies if this is a basic question. > >>>> > >>> I've been given some > > > >> documents to > >>>> > format according to certain style > >>>> > >>> guidelines. The files are mostly > > > >> .docx > >>>> > and .doc and must be sent off in this > >>>> > >>> format. I work only with > > > >> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I > >>>> > >>> format the articles using paragraph > > > >> > and page styles rather than just > >>>> > >>> directly changing the format in the > > > >> > body of the document, will the > >>>> > >>> formatting be maintained when the > > > >> > documents are opened in MS Office? I > >>>> > >>> am not concerned with small > > > >> > discrepancies that can be tweaked > >>>> > >>> later on, rather whether this method > > > >> > of formatting generally transfers > >>>> > >>> well. Again, sorry if it's a silly > > > >> > question. > >>>> > > >>>> > Many thanks. > >>>> > Ryan > >>>> > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
