and the single quote ( ' ) is foot ;-)
quite strange, indeed ;-)
From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <and...@pitonyak.org>
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
other software/formats?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
And here I thought that the word inch was another name for this symbol "
You know, because people write 1" rather than 1 inch
On 08/27/2013 07:57 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
A unit of measurement in what is commonly known as the “English” system.
>
> Virgil
>
> From: Tom Davies
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:44 PM
> To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
>
> Hi :)
> What's an inch?
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________**__
> From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
> other software/formats?
>
>
>
> Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-)
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>
> When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is
> 8.5 by 11 inches?
>
>>
>> Virgil
>> From: Tom Davies
>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM
>> To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington
>> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
>> other software/formats?
>> Hi :)
>> Good point about using US-letter! That might make the
>>
> biggest difference!
>
>>
>> Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US
>>
> and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still
> fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That
> might make more difference than which method you use.
>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________**__
>> From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
>> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
>> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org
>> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
>> other software/formats?
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Virgil.
>>
>> My documents are similar to yours. One last question
>>
> then I'll give you
>
>> guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with
>>
> page size "letter"
>
>> and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't
>>
> need anything more
>
>> intricate than that.
>>
>> Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have
>>
> Linux at home so will
>
>> probably stick with LO.
>>
>> Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ryan
>>
>> On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>
>>> My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms
>>>
>> of formatting.
>
>> Typically, they are either legal or academic
>>>
>> style papers. I'm a heavy
>
>> user of paragraph styles and won't work without
>>>
>> them.
>
>>
>>> I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and
>>>
>> then at the end convert
>
>> to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph
>>>
>> styles, but I would avoid
>
>> LO specific methods.
>>>
>>> Another option is a shareware word processor
>>>
>> called Atlantis. It's a
>
>> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no
>>>
>> ribbon) with a $35.00
>
>> registration. I often use it when Word
>>>
>> compatibility is paramount. It
>
>> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I
>>>
>> honestly don't know why
>
>> MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It
>>>
>> doesn't support tables, but
>
>> other than that, it will handle simple formats
>>>
>> very well and will
>
>> produce a result that Word should read fairly
>>>
>> well.
>
>>
>>> Virgil
>>>
>>> From: Info/UX
>>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM
>>> To: Tom Davies
>>> Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice
>>>
>> paragraph styles exported
>
>> to other software/formats?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Tom, Virgil.
>>>
>>> If I wanted to use different text body styles
>>>
>> throughout I would
>
>> probably have made new styles and called them
>>>
>> text body 1, 2, etc.
>
>> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this
>>>
>> case. But I have created my
>
>> simple template with basic paragraph and page
>>>
>> styles.
>
>>
>>> So, in trying to process the information in
>>>
>> both of your replies, I feel
>
>> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS
>>>
>> formats (.docx, but .doc if
>
>> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's
>>>
>> special features (even so,
>
>> I'd rather use styles than format everything
>>>
>> manually), (2) Start a
>
>> blank .odt and copy and paste my article
>>>
>> content and load the styles
>
>> from my template and save to doc later (and
>>>
>> maybe then to docx on a
>
>> windows machine).
>>>
>>> Which method do you think would give the best
>>>
>> results? The priority is
>
>> for the finished pieces to look consistent in
>>>
>> MS Word... and also allow
>
>> other people to edit the .docs in Word with
>>>
>> minimal quirky things
>
>> going on.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all this advice.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi :)
>>>> If you can use MS Office to do some final
>>>>
>>> proof-reading then you are
>
>> unlikely to have any problems.
>>>>
>>>> We have been assuming that is not possible
>>>>
>>> and that would make the
>
>> final outcome uncertain. Being able to
>>>>
>>> quickly scroll through before
>
>> sending it out into the world kinda
>>>>
>>> eliminates that uncertainty.
>
>>
>>>> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt
>>>>
>>> format and then at the
>
>> end convert to Doc format then you should
>>>>
>>> find that there are no
>
>> surprises.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virgil seems to be talking about a very
>>>>
>>> specific set of styles or
>
>> method of using styles. He is talking
>>>>
>>> about changing styles (such as
>
>> changing the font of "text body") on
>>>>
>>> different pages within the same
>
>> document. If you need to do that it might
>>>>
>>> be worth creating
>
>> duplicates of the styles and then modifying
>>>>
>>> the duplicates? I'm not
>
>> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has
>>>>
>>> probably found a
>
>> work-around if needed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would keep copies of
>>>>
>>> photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts
>
>> just in case you do run into problems. LO
>>>>
>>> does have an extremely
>
>> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to
>>>>
>>> pin down but seems to be
>
>> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up
>>>>
>>> goes on. You know that you
>
>> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip
>>>>
>>> and then double-click to
>
>> see the Xml coding inside along with
>>>>
>>> folders for various things such
>
>> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way
>>>>
>>> to fix problems but it's a
>
>> bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very
>>>>
>>> different in the 2 formats
>
>> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create
>>>>
>>> fairly serious problems.
>
>> Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc
>>>>
>>> format doesn't open in that
>
>> way and doesn't hold images in an image
>>>>
>>> format which is another
>
>> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images
>>>>
>>> nearby.
>
>>
>>>> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious
>>>>
>>> things happen during the
>
>> course of a Word document. So to save
>>>>
>>> myself a lot of time i tend to
>
>> start with a fresh new Odt and then use
>>>> Ctrl Shift v
>>>> to paste in "unformatted text" and then
>>>>
>>> apply styles (and maybe
>
>> modfied the styles after to watch the mod
>>>>
>>> ripple through the
>
>> document). Occasionally i have wanted to
>>>>
>>> "just do something quickly"
>
>> and then been frustrated by some weird bit
>>>>
>>> of insane MS formatting
>
>> that just keeps throwing up problems until
>>>>
>>> i relent and do the "start
>
>> again from scratch" approach which has then
>>>>
>>> typically taken just a
>
>> few minutes even if the problem seemed
>>>>
>>> intractable.
>
>>
>>>> Regards from
>>>> Tom :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
> ------------
>
>> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com>
>>>> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com>
>>>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users]
>>>>
>>> LibreOffice paragraph styles
>
>> exported to other software/formats?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Virgil.
>>>>
>>>> I can probably alter any lists when I work
>>>>
>>> in an MS environment at the
>
>> final stage of formatting.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering
>>>>
>>> if I use slightly more
>
>> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my
>>>>
>>> results whether it would
>
>> cause more problems when working in Word. I
>>>>
>>> am trying to keep the
>
>> process relatively simple. The articles
>>>>
>>> only need to have consistent
>
>> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page
>>>>
>>> break for the bibliographies. I
>
>> have starting created a LibreOffice
>>>>
>>> template with customised paragraph
>
>> styles and some changes to the page style.
>>>>
>>> I was planning to apply this
>
>> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my
>>>>
>>> formatting would transfer to
>
>> Word, I don't mind making some manual
>>>>
>>> adjustments at that stage.
>
>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote:
>>>> > In my experience, most paragraph
>>>>
>>> styles tend to translate well to
>
>> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had
>>>>
>>> problems with the alignment of
>
>> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO
>>>>
>>> and MSW seem to align them
>
>> > differently.
>>>> >
>>>> > One bigger difference, however, is the
>>>>
>>> way the two formats handle page
>
>> > formatting. LO uses page styles to
>>>>
>>> change formatting from one page to
>
>> > another, whereas Word does not. It
>>>>
>>> uses section breaks to make such
>
>> > page formatting changes, and I've
>>>>
>>> found discrepancies in translating
>
>> > page formatting between the two.
>>>> >
>>>> > Virgil
>>>> >
>>>> > From: Info/UX
>>>>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM
>>>> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.**
>>>> libreoffice.org <users@global.libreoffice.org>>
>>>> > Subject: [libreoffice-users]
>>>>
>>> LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to
>
>> > other software/formats?
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello,
>>>> >
>>>> > Apologies if this is a basic question.
>>>>
>>> I've been given some
>
>> documents to
>>>> > format according to certain style
>>>>
>>> guidelines. The files are mostly
>
>> .docx
>>>> > and .doc and must be sent off in this
>>>>
>>> format. I work only with
>
>> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I
>>>>
>>> format the articles using paragraph
>
>> > and page styles rather than just
>>>>
>>> directly changing the format in the
>
>> > body of the document, will the
>>>>
>>> formatting be maintained when the
>
>> > documents are opened in MS Office? I
>>>>
>>> am not concerned with small
>
>> > discrepancies that can be tweaked
>>>>
>>> later on, rather whether this method
>
>> > of formatting generally transfers
>>>>
>>> well. Again, sorry if it's a silly
>
>> > question.
>>>> >
>>>> > Many thanks.
>>>> > Ryan
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
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