There is a female body part unit system. They tend to call it cup A,B,C,... :-P So next time you offer coffee or tea, you should not ask whether they want a capuccino or expresso, but use the cup-sizes :-D
Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer On 27 August 2013 17:00, anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote: > So the metric-users weren't satisfied with the first 4 attempts ;-) > > Wow, the old-English-system has stood the test of time better ;-) > > BTW - when there's a queen rather than a king, whose body parts are > used ;-) > > from the peanut-gallery's goofy section, > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Dries Feys <dries.f...@tvh.com> wrote: > >> AFAIK, the inch is the English equivalent of the old continents >> "duim", which is still used by plumbers and electricians. "duim" is >> Dutch for "thumb", and is the width of the thumb. >> >> About A4, I read on wikipedia, A0 is exactly 1m², where side A and B >> compare to eachother by sqrt(2) (1.404). A1 is the half of A0,... A4 >> is the half of A3,... >> >> Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, >> >> DRIES FEYS >> CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer >> T +32 56 43 42 45 • F +32 56 43 44 46 • dries.f...@tvh.com >> >> TVH GROUP NV >> Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM >> T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com >> >> >> On 27 August 2013 16:41, anne-ology <lagin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > and from the 10C ... we have the definitions ;-) >> > >> > The cubit was the length of the arm [Henry I's] from the tip of the >> > finger >> > to the elbow; this then subdivided into shorter units as the foot, hand >> > (at >> > 4 inches used for expressing the height of horses) finger; added >> > together >> > made longer units as the stride. >> > The yard would be "the distance from the tip of the King's nose to the >> > end >> > of his outstretched thumb". >> > >> > BTW - just what is A4 - curiously wondering; >> > here, we use 8-1/2" X 11" or legally speaking 16" X >> > 11" >> > >> > from the peanut-gallery's historical corner ;-) >> > >> > BTW 2 - just what is this metric system which the English Kings >> > seem >> > to be using now days ;-) >> > yet they still drive on the left ;-) >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >> > Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:57 AM >> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported >> > to >> > other software/formats? >> > To: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>, Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> >> > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org >> > >> > >> > A unit of measurement in what is commonly known as the “English” system. >> > >> > Virgil >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Tom Davies >> > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:44 PM >> > To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington >> > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org >> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported >> > to >> > other software/formats? >> > >> > Hi :) >> > What's an inch? >> > >> > Regards from >> > Tom :) >> > >> > >> > >> > From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> >> > To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >> > Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org >> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2013, 0:22 >> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported >> > to >> > other software/formats? >> > >> > >> > Hahaha. I just wish we could have an agreed standard! ;-) >> > >> > Ryan >> > >> > >> > >> > On 27/08/13 00:15, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> > >> > When will you guys across the pond realize that “normal” letter paper is >> > 8.5 by 11 inches? >> > >> >> >> >> Virgil >> >> From: Tom Davies >> >> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:04 PM >> >> To: Info/UX ; Virgil Arrington >> >> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org >> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported >> >> to >> >> other software/formats? >> >> Hi :) >> >> Good point about using US-letter! That might make the >> >> >> > biggest difference! >> > >> >> >> >> Even though US-letter is only widely available in the US >> >> >> > and the rest of the world tends to print on A4 it is still >> > fairly rare to find computers set-up to print to A4. That >> > might make more difference than which method you use. >> > >> >> Regards from >> >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**__ >> >> From: Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> >> >> To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >> >> Cc: Tom Davies <tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk>; users@global.libreoffice.org >> >> Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 23:40 >> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice paragraph styles exported >> >> to >> >> other software/formats? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Virgil. >> >> >> >> My documents are similar to yours. One last question >> >> >> > then I'll give you >> > >> >> guys some peace. :-) Would making a page style with >> >> >> > page size "letter" >> > >> >> and with a footer be considered LO specific? I don't >> >> >> > need anything more >> > >> >> intricate than that. >> >> >> >> Thanks for the tip regarding Atlantis. I only have >> >> >> > Linux at home so will >> > >> >> probably stick with LO. >> >> >> >> Thanks again. Your replies have helped a lot. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Ryan >> >> >> >> On 26/08/13 23:29, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> >> >> >>> My documents tend to be *really* basic in terms >> >>> >> >> of formatting. >> > >> >> Typically, they are either legal or academic >> >>> >> >> style papers. I'm a heavy >> > >> >> user of paragraph styles and won't work without >> >>> >> >> them. >> > >> >> >> >>> I tend to do my entire document as an .odt and >> >>> >> >> then at the end convert >> > >> >> to .doc as necessary. I'd use the paragraph >> >>> >> >> styles, but I would avoid >> > >> >> LO specific methods. >> >>> >> >>> Another option is a shareware word processor >> >>> >> >> called Atlantis. It's a >> > >> >> lightweight clone of pre 2007 Word (e.g., no >> >>> >> >> ribbon) with a $35.00 >> > >> >> registration. I often use it when Word >> >>> >> >> compatibility is paramount. It >> > >> >> does nearly everything *exactly* like Word. I >> >>> >> >> honestly don't know why >> > >> >> MS hasn't sued them, it's that close. It >> >>> >> >> doesn't support tables, but >> > >> >> other than that, it will handle simple formats >> >>> >> >> very well and will >> > >> >> produce a result that Word should read fairly >> >>> >> >> well. >> > >> >> >> >>> Virgil >> >>> >> >>> From: Info/UX >> >>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 5:38 PM >> >>> To: Tom Davies >> >>> Cc: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org >> >>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice >> >>> >> >> paragraph styles exported >> > >> >> to other software/formats? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, Tom, Virgil. >> >>> >> >>> If I wanted to use different text body styles >> >>> >> >> throughout I would >> > >> >> probably have made new styles and called them >> >>> >> >> text body 1, 2, etc. >> > >> >> Luckily nothing like that is needed in this >> >>> >> >> case. But I have created my >> > >> >> simple template with basic paragraph and page >> >>> >> >> styles. >> > >> >> >> >>> So, in trying to process the information in >> >>> >> >> both of your replies, I feel >> > >> >> I now have two options: (1) Keep with the MS >> >>> >> >> formats (.docx, but .doc if >> > >> >> possible) and format with minimal use of LO's >> >>> >> >> special features (even so, >> > >> >> I'd rather use styles than format everything >> >>> >> >> manually), (2) Start a >> > >> >> blank .odt and copy and paste my article >> >>> >> >> content and load the styles >> > >> >> from my template and save to doc later (and >> >>> >> >> maybe then to docx on a >> > >> >> windows machine). >> >>> >> >>> Which method do you think would give the best >> >>> >> >> results? The priority is >> > >> >> for the finished pieces to look consistent in >> >>> >> >> MS Word... and also allow >> > >> >> other people to edit the .docs in Word with >> >>> >> >> minimal quirky things >> > >> >> going on. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for all this advice. >> >>> >> >>> Regards, >> >>> Ryan >> >>> >> >>> On 26/08/13 21:18, Tom Davies wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi :) >> >>>> If you can use MS Office to do some final >> >>>> >> >>> proof-reading then you are >> > >> >> unlikely to have any problems. >> >>>> >> >>>> We have been assuming that is not possible >> >>>> >> >>> and that would make the >> > >> >> final outcome uncertain. Being able to >> >>>> >> >>> quickly scroll through before >> > >> >> sending it out into the world kinda >> >>>> >> >>> eliminates that uncertainty. >> > >> >> >> >>>> If you can keep all your 'originals' in Odt >> >>>> >> >>> format and then at the >> > >> >> end convert to Doc format then you should >> >>>> >> >>> find that there are no >> > >> >> surprises. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Virgil seems to be talking about a very >> >>>> >> >>> specific set of styles or >> > >> >> method of using styles. He is talking >> >>>> >> >>> about changing styles (such as >> > >> >> changing the font of "text body") on >> >>>> >> >>> different pages within the same >> > >> >> document. If you need to do that it might >> >>>> >> >>> be worth creating >> > >> >> duplicates of the styles and then modifying >> >>>> >> >>> the duplicates? I'm not >> > >> >> sure how to deal with that but Virgil has >> >>>> >> >>> probably found a >> > >> >> work-around if needed. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I would keep copies of >> >>>> >> >>> photos/images/art/logos near the original Odts >> > >> >> just in case you do run into problems. LO >> >>>> >> >>> does have an extremely >> > >> >> rare intermittent bug that is difficult to >> >>>> >> >>> pin down but seems to be >> > >> >> getting rarer and rarer as code clean-up >> >>>> >> >>> goes on. You know that you >> > >> >> can rename files from .Odt or .DocX to .Zip >> >>>> >> >>> and then double-click to >> > >> >> see the Xml coding inside along with >> >>>> >> >>> folders for various things such >> > >> >> as images. Sometimes it can be a neat way >> >>>> >> >>> to fix problems but it's a >> > >> >> bit risky. The Xml tags and such are very >> >>>> >> >>> different in the 2 formats >> > >> >> so just renaming .Odt to .DocX might create >> >>>> >> >>> fairly serious problems. >> > >> >> Stick with the "Save As ...". the Doc >> >>>> >> >>> format doesn't open in that >> > >> >> way and doesn't hold images in an image >> >>>> >> >>> format which is another >> > >> >> reason i suggest keeping a copy of images >> >>>> >> >>> nearby. >> > >> >> >> >>>> Also i have sometimes found that mysterious >> >>>> >> >>> things happen during the >> > >> >> course of a Word document. So to save >> >>>> >> >>> myself a lot of time i tend to >> > >> >> start with a fresh new Odt and then use >> >>>> Ctrl Shift v >> >>>> to paste in "unformatted text" and then >> >>>> >> >>> apply styles (and maybe >> > >> >> modfied the styles after to watch the mod >> >>>> >> >>> ripple through the >> > >> >> document). Occasionally i have wanted to >> >>>> >> >>> "just do something quickly" >> > >> >> and then been frustrated by some weird bit >> >>>> >> >>> of insane MS formatting >> > >> >> that just keeps throwing up problems until >> >>>> >> >>> i relent and do the "start >> > >> >> again from scratch" approach which has then >> >>>> >> >>> typically taken just a >> > >> >> few minutes even if the problem seemed >> >>>> >> >>> intractable. >> > >> >> >> >>>> Regards from >> >>>> Tom :) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------------------------------** >> > ------------------------------**------------ >> > >> >> *From:* Info/UX <inf...@gmx.com> >> >>>> *To:* Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> >> >>>> *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org >> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, 26 August 2013, 19:23 >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] >> >>>> >> >>> LibreOffice paragraph styles >> > >> >> exported to other software/formats? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks, Virgil. >> >>>> >> >>>> I can probably alter any lists when I work >> >>>> >> >>> in an MS environment at the >> > >> >> final stage of formatting. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regarding page formatting — I'm wondering >> >>>> >> >>> if I use slightly more >> > >> >> advanced features of LibreOffice to get my >> >>>> >> >>> results whether it would >> > >> >> cause more problems when working in Word. I >> >>>> >> >>> am trying to keep the >> > >> >> process relatively simple. The articles >> >>>> >> >>> only need to have consistent >> > >> >> fonts and spacing and perhaps one page >> >>>> >> >>> break for the bibliographies. I >> > >> >> have starting created a LibreOffice >> >>>> >> >>> template with customised paragraph >> > >> >> styles and some changes to the page style. >> >>>> >> >>> I was planning to apply this >> > >> >> to the .docs. As long as 90% or so of my >> >>>> >> >>> formatting would transfer to >> > >> >> Word, I don't mind making some manual >> >>>> >> >>> adjustments at that stage. >> > >> >> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >>>> Ryan >> >>>> >> >>>> On 26/08/13 13:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> >>>> > In my experience, most paragraph >> >>>> >> >>> styles tend to translate well to >> > >> >> > MS-Word formats. However, I've had >> >>>> >> >>> problems with the alignment of >> > >> >> > automatic numbering and/or bullets. LO >> >>>> >> >>> and MSW seem to align them >> > >> >> > differently. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > One bigger difference, however, is the >> >>>> >> >>> way the two formats handle page >> > >> >> > formatting. LO uses page styles to >> >>>> >> >>> change formatting from one page to >> > >> >> > another, whereas Word does not. It >> >>>> >> >>> uses section breaks to make such >> > >> >> > page formatting changes, and I've >> >>>> >> >>> found discrepancies in translating >> > >> >> > page formatting between the two. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Virgil >> >>>> > >> >>>> > From: Info/UX >> >>>> >> >>> > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 1:38 PM >> >>>> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org <mailto:users@global.** >> >>>> libreoffice.org <users@global.libreoffice.org>> >> >>>> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] >> >>>> >> >>> LibreOffice paragraph styles exported to >> > >> >> > other software/formats? >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Hello, >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Apologies if this is a basic question. >> >>>> >> >>> I've been given some >> > >> >> documents to >> >>>> > format according to certain style >> >>>> >> >>> guidelines. The files are mostly >> > >> >> .docx >> >>>> > and .doc and must be sent off in this >> >>>> >> >>> format. I work only with >> > >> >> > LibreOffice. My questions is, if I >> >>>> >> >>> format the articles using paragraph >> > >> >> > and page styles rather than just >> >>>> >> >>> directly changing the format in the >> > >> >> > body of the document, will the >> >>>> >> >>> formatting be maintained when the >> > >> >> > documents are opened in MS Office? I >> >>>> >> >>> am not concerned with small >> > >> >> > discrepancies that can be tweaked >> >>>> >> >>> later on, rather whether this method >> > >> >> > of formatting generally transfers >> >>>> >> >>> well. Again, sorry if it's a silly >> > >> >> > question. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Many thanks. >> >>>> > Ryan >> >>>> > -- **** DISCLAIMER **** http://www.tvh.com/newen2/emaildisclaimer/default.html "This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
