I totally agree with Alejandro,
But sometimes as my case, im running kannel as the core platform for all my companys operations and we usually dont have the time to search through years of mailings. So our best shot is to ask at once, so for me wiki would be very helpful because is easier to search, and if its not there, then I can ask the list. For people like me, where time its really money, would it better yet to have a paid 24/7 online support (chat, vip mailing list, etc) Think about it. _____ From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sábado, 08 de Marzo de 2008 10:07 p.m. To: Juan Nin Cc: users@kannel.org Subject: Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki That was my point, yes. One of the most commonly seen questions being made on the mailing list is how to send a wap-push using kannel. Juan has put together a very thorough how-to using kannel's PPG. I've made a PHP function to encode a wap-push into a binary message and send it using kannel (without ppg). Many others has put similar pieces of code using Java and other languages. I think I've sent a link to the my email on gmane about 10 times. Similar with Juan's code. Both articles are easily found by googling a little bit, yet many people is lazy enough to ask before finding by themselves. IRC won't be any good with this particular problem. Even if being recorded, the question wouldn't be asked, nor answered, at once. That'd make very difficult to google it. Anyway, it doesn't work with the mailing list, why would it work with the IRC log? Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Juan Nin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Alejandro, > > > > I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to > help. > > > > As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be > tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. > > > > The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is > obvious to one is not so obvious to another. > > > > Michael > > > > > From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM > To: users@kannel.org > Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki > > > > IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. > > * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to > help. > * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of > a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. > * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. > > It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the "wap-push > question" even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and > similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) > > I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a > faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick > also. > > Regards, > > Alejandro > > > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An even better idea is people should hangout in > irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near > realtime. > > Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC > > k# > > > > > Khary Sharpe wrote: > > Maybe I missed something ......but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org > > already exist? > > There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat > > questions are concerned.... but we can change that. > > > > All those who are interested can simply register and start adding > > pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) > > > > k# > > > > > > > > > > > > Juan Nin wrote: > >> here u got: > >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 > >> > >> you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the > >> webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent > >> my code as an attached PHP file > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Juan > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. > >>> yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too > >>> because i'm > >>> searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go > >>> to this > >>> and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i > >>> post > >>> my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran > >>> kannel > >>> by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but > >>> its > >>> really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) > >>> > >>> some were just replying as if the user will understand > >>> immediately.. but > >>> how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? > >>> > >>> anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through > >>> > >>> thanks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >>> > >>> > Good idea. > >>> > > >>> > Just look at the success and plethora of info on > >>> http://www.voip-info.org/ > >>> > - a wiki for ALL voip. > >>> > > >>> > /g > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the > >>> time > >>> >> on the list, and it's quite annoying... > >>> >> > >>> >> I think the bigger example is "how to send a Wap Push" > >>> >> > >>> >> Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people > >>> can > >>> >> post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example > >>> confs, > >>> >> etc? > >>> >> This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful > >>> >> info there... > >>> >> > >>> >> and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will > >>> just be > >>> >> replying "Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org"; > >>> >> > >>> >> What do you think? > >>> >> > >>> >> Juan > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Alejandro Guerrieri > Magicom > http://www.magicom-bcn.net/ > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/aguerrieri -- Alejandro Guerrieri Magicom http://www.magicom-bcn.net/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/aguerrieri
