Robin Laing wrote:

You make a case for styles that I can agree with if you use the same style all the time. It takes time to learn and create (and how to create) the styles you want.

Not very much time, if you are already familiar with how word processing works in general.

As this discussion in the past has indicated. Create the styles you want/need and then remove all the styles in your imported document and apply your new styles. What do you do if you don't use the same styles between documents? You want to do something unique.

Just do something unique, any way you wish.

You can either do your unique thing through direct formatting or through created styles or a mixture of both, whatever you want.

Styles are great for businesses that have and want to work with set standards. Reveal codes are better for the one time only people (like me). Lack of reveal codes is a deal breaker for some people as well.

How many times must it be said ... there are no codes to reveal.

The reveal codes macro works in OOo writer by inventing an imaginary system of tokens that might exist if OpenOffice.org did use code tokens internally, a sort of on-the-fly virtual source code. But while reveal codes in Word Perfect, or looking at the Source code for the current web page in a browser, reveals what is *really* underneath the display, any reveal codes mode in OpenOffice can only be an artificial artifact on top of OpenOffice. The same is true of MS Word.

But with OpenOffice.org, the source code that produces a document in memory is a at least readable, in XML format. You can rename your output document with the extension .zip, unzip it, and read the files it contains if you have a debugging problem that requires looking at the actual code. But the format is not linear, and accordingly is more complex then the straightforward data stream approach that is WordPerfect, at least on one underlying level.

We have people around here that won't use MS Office either because there is no reveal codes.

Sigh! I wonder if there are people who won't fly in a helicopter because it has no wings.

It would be nice if OOo could provide the best of both worlds. But I am a dreamer. :) Now if I could just get some time to learn how to create custom styles in two minutes or less.

Press F11. Select any style in the Stylelist. Right-click. Select "New". Name the style in the custom dialog box that comes up (and ignore all the other fields if you want). You have created a new paragraph style in a second or less.

Then just set any of the attributes in any of the tabs to what you want, just as you would do with direct formatting. Select some paragraphs, double-click on the style, and it is applied to those paragraphs. Modify the style, and the paragraphs change accordingly.

Very quick, very fast, very intuitive, once you've done it a few times. No worry about why an effect being turned on in one place is being turned off in another.

The various paragraph style attribute settings are directly comparable to individual formatting codes that would appear in front of that paragraph in that style in Word Perfect, but they are applied all at once, not in any order.

You might think of these attributes as being codes *on* the paragraph instead of being codes *before* the paragraph. And since these settings are visible within each paragraph, by selecting Format -> Paragraph and Format -> Characters for a selected paragraph, you don't have be concerned about some code two pages back that has set something you don't want.

What is missing is an indication of any direct formatting that may be subsequently placed on top of underling paragraph styles within the paragraph.

If this is messing things up, generally speaking it is at least as fast to select the paragraph, press CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE (or go to Format -> Default formatting) to strip off the extra formatting, and then fix it up directly again as it as it would to attempt to debug by searching through codes in a reveal codes mode.

Jallan


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