EJones wrote:
On or about 3/17/2006 12:19 PM, Robin Laing penned the following:
Jallan wrote:
Robin Laing wrote:
If want to change the "Default" style, just select modify in the
Stylelist for the "Default" character style, and then change the
"Default" style and all the paragraphs in the "Default" style will
change, except ... and this is important, when you have applied direct
formatting on top of the underlying styles.
What else. You don't want special effects like bolding and italics or
font changes *within* a paragraph to vanish because you have changed
the underlying font. To put it in Word Perfect terms, when you change
a paragraph style the paragraph display as though you inserted a bunch
new codes at the beginning of each paragraph in place of the old ones,
but any following control codes within that paragraph are left alone.
Accordingly what you see may be far more determined by these following
codes.
I still have to find the font and spacing issue that was changed in a
style but after setting the default style, the font issue is still
present. But what I did confirm that one of may major issues with
importing documents has been related to a style that the default
style doesn't fix.
Possibly this is overlying direct formatting or an overlying character
style. If you set the Stylelist to show character styles, then the
character style at the current cursor position will be highlighted in
the list. You can then edit that style. If the style doesn't change in
the list when visually you see a change within a paragraph, such as a
font change or a change from non-bold to bold, then direct formatting
has been applied.
To see the underlying paragraph formatting in a paragraph just do
CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE to remove all but the basic paragraph style
formatting in that paragraph. After you've seen what this shows, you
can press CTRL-Z to put the character style formatting and direct
formatting back again.
Jallan
Your long description is a good example to me on why Reveal codes is
better.
Look here or if that isn't it, look there. I guess this is why I feel
reveal codes is nicer. A single keystroke and all my codes are
displayed. No opening this tool box or changing this setting and
opening that dialog.
I will learn styles when I can but it took me minutes to learn how to
use reveal codes. Styles are not that easy.
BTW, thanks for the description on how the coding works in OOo. I wish
there was something to make it easier to find these errors as it is my
major headache as I have to import and convert many documents to ODF and
they have to look the same as the MS or WP version's of the document.
Importing a document or series of documents is not perfect, no matter
what program you use. I have had these issues with all of the Word
processors I have used. I just found WP the was the quickest to clean
the coding problems that occurred.
I, too, also thank all those that have responded to my original query.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who prefers a 'reveal code'.
I also find styles harder to deal with. They seem to be OK for business
type letters or standard book writing, but for us non-professionals the
WP style is easier and, IMHO better.
I have learned and gotten slightly confused at times with some of the
information here - but I'll stick it out.
I'm glad I posted my question.
It has been posted before and it has been discussed with the same
results. There are two different mind sets on which is better. I
prefer one way and others prefer another. Those around where I work
that want more control are now using LaTeX. Others that have lost
hours of work because Microsoft's Styles have destroyed hours of work
and wouldn't undo are now looking at OOo.
There is an issue on this.
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3395
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Robin Laing
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