>From: Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>
>Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 5:58 AM
>To: David Jones; @; users@spamassassin.apache.org
>Subject: Re: New whitelisting trick using from and spf
    

>Am 06.03.2017 um 12:45 schrieb David Jones:
>>> From: @lbutlr <krem...@kreme.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 5:24 AM
>>> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: New whitelisting trick using from and spf
>>
>>> On 2017-03-05 (18:59 MST), David Jones <djo...@ena.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> whitelist_auth does this against SPF_PASS and DKIM_VALID_AU
>>
>>> I tired to do something along these lines at some point in the past by
>>> adding some lines to my local.cf like these:
>>
>>> blacklist_from *@amazon.com
>>> whitelist_auth *@amazon.com
>>> blacklist_from *@paypal.com
>>> whitelist_auth *@paypal.com
>>
>>> It didn’t have the desired effect and simply blacklisted all PayPal mail.
>>> While *I* was ok with blacklisting PayPal, others not so much...
>>
>> Spam/phishing emails pretending to be from Paypal won't have an
>> envelope-from of *@paypal.com which is why you didn't get the
>> desired effect.  You rarely use the blacklist_from only when there
>> is very dumb senders that you want to block

>that don't matter - "blacklist_from" also bpocks from-header

Good to know but the From: header is not a reliably way to block
email unless there is a very dumb/naive sender.

>problem is that lines like above also block legit paypal traffic which 
>has a enevelope outside that domain but get blocked by "blacklist_from" 
>and "whitelist_auth" won#t trigger as long as you don't add all the 
>possible underlying envelope-senders (which are in case of newsletters 
>large, shared senders where you don't want that)

>the concept above does not work in real life because it is a very naive 
>approach by lacking real expierience - took me less than 24 hours to 
>stop testing that and find out it does more harm than good

Like I said, you very rarely should use blacklist_from.  RBLs and other
DNS checks should take care of most of the need for blacklist_from
entries.

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